When are we finally going to nerf the Colby .45 AP?

[Ysaline 32]

1 hour ago, LilyRain said:

Thank you for asking genuine questions.

I don't function with opinions, I only care about objective facts. Opinions have no real place where facts are already established.

To name a couple, factually, you should know that FR0G 'Kokoe' PR1 & N-FA 9 "Quickdraw" PR1 are unquestionably far more objectively useful in a serious disgusting-loadout vs standard Colby .45. Those that can't tell why should keep their 'opinions' in their pockets. Both are available PERMANENTLY in the Joker Store for roughly the same price as Colby .45, which a free-2-play player can get by... simply existing.

And the logic of 'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is outright nonsensical. Else, let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game, just because 'it is a primary weapon'. Like, no, that's just not the way.

 

 

What "investment", 3000 Joker Tickets? lol..

The problem is that the "complaints" about .45 being "OP" are simply... false.

lol like... if the weapon was out of line, we would've spoken about it before you, thanks.

FR0G 'Kokoe' has 12m range, dont know if you realised but thats actually really close. Up to 12m, there are comparable or better options.
N-FA 9 it has 30m range but also 70 dmg and crazy spread, you wont kill anyone pass 10m on one spray. Its s a hug weapon.

Hugging is the only scenario where some secondaries actually beats up some primary weapons but because of the poor range, i never had any problems with it.

'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is a true statement, let me tell you why

"let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game" - false, not every, but the equal equivalent
Take a deep breath and think about it for a minute. What gun N-HVR compete againts? Closest you can get is Colby RSA and you would never beat N-HVR with RSA unless N-HVR clearly messed up his second shot.

Its not an opinion, its a fact.

as ive stated before, you can keep the .45
buff it even, give it 10 shots, i dont mind, but give it R-2 'Harbinger' treatment. R-2 'Harbinger' which has even bigger dmg, longer range but also its difficult to use.

.45 description: The Colby .45 AP is an old warhorse of a gun - it was the gun that the FBW was based on and, like its younger brother, has great killing potential and is very powerful even to medium ranges. Unlike its sibling it doesn't have any of the modern comforts - it kicks like a mule and the larger caliber necessitates a smaller magazine.


my question is: wheres the "kicks like a mule" feature? In comparson, R-2 'Harbinger' kicks like what?

[koenyboy500 60]

5 hours ago, LilyRain said:

What "investment", 3000 Joker Tickets? lol..

The problem is that the "complaints" about .45 being "OP" are simply... false.

lol like... if the weapon was out of line, we would've spoken about it before you, thanks.

We? Who the fuck is we?

WE are complaining about a weapon and I am starting to think that it is actually the majority of the people here.

So you can crown yourself king with your opinion all you want and call people bad or whatever, but don't call over 50% of the pop people with 'false claims'

 

Don't look up (the movie)- kind of pleb you are.

[EVInezca 84]

Nerf the gun liddle in tkk than we all are fine with that gun. And the .45 player will accept it when the nerf is not to much. Only a liddle!

 

Ti say it clear i dont want destroy that gun. I self use nano chrome they very strong to. But much much harder to get on charakter 

Edited Wednesday at 10:17 AM by EVInezca

[LilyRain 704]

2 hours ago, koenyboy500 said:

We? Who the fuck is we?

WE are complaining about a weapon and I am starting to think that it is actually the majority of the people here.

So you can crown yourself king with your opinion all you want and call people bad or whatever, but don't call over 50% of the pop people with 'false claims'

 

Don't look up (the movie)- kind of pleb you are.

You must be talking to yourself because that is literally that.

Speak for yourself. As small as the playerbase is, it is in the hundreds while you and your gang can be counted on one hand, 2 max.

You're done.

[LilyRain 704]

5 hours ago, Ysaline said:

FR0G 'Kokoe' has 12m range, dont know if you realised but thats actually really close. Up to 12m, there are comparable or better options.

You should "realize" that 12m is factually 15m for max effective damage (200 HP per shot), more than enough for that powerhouse.

Learn how to read "Range Damage Dropoff".
 

5 hours ago, Ysaline said:

N-FA 9 it has 30m range but also 70 dmg and crazy spread, you wont kill anyone pass 10m on one spray. Its s a hug weapon.

Hugging is the only scenario where some secondaries actually beats up some primary weapons but because of the poor range, i never had any problems with it.

Sounds perfect. Hug with the secondary, swap to primary for extended range (and factually FASTER ttk than the somehow problematic 0.8s to an extent).

They complement perfectly. No issues here whatsoever.

 

5 hours ago, Ysaline said:

'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is a true statement, let me tell you why

"let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game" - false, not every, but the equal equivalent
Take a deep breath and think about it for a minute. What gun N-HVR compete againts? Closest you can get is Colby RSA and you would never beat N-HVR with RSA unless N-HVR clearly messed up his second shot.

Its not an opinion, its a fact.

Oh, is that a fact?

RSA kills in 1.6s, N-HVR kills in 1.75s. So no, it is not a fact. RSA does indeed win, every single time.

PLUS, thanks to LO, N-HVR won't deal full damage without actually being in marksmanship aim (right mouse click), because they wanted to kill 'quickswitching'. So even in the extreme crazy close-mid range scenario that shouldn't happen, RSA can still run and gun while N-HVR has to sit like a turret.

RSA only loses to N-HVR if the Player is dumb enough to try and play outside its effective range.

Didn't even have to think about this one.

 

6 hours ago, Ysaline said:

as ive stated before, you can keep the .45
buff it even, give it 10 shots, i dont mind

That is.... the point of the Fr0g...

A stronger .45 WITH 10 shots rather than 7 but with some range cut off... You just proved my point. I literally mentioned the weapon BY NAME and you still didn't get it.

 

6 hours ago, Ysaline said:

but give it R-2 'Harbinger' treatment. R-2 'Harbinger' which has even bigger dmg, longer range but also its difficult to use.

.45 description: The Colby .45 AP is an old warhorse of a gun - it was the gun that the FBW was based on and, like its younger brother, has great killing potential and is very powerful even to medium ranges. Unlike its sibling it doesn't have any of the modern comforts - it kicks like a mule and the larger caliber necessitates a smaller magazine.


my question is: wheres the "kicks like a mule" feature? In comparson, R-2 'Harbinger' kicks like what?

I fear people will complain that it is harder to use while .45 is as basic as FBW.

The reason why people want .45 nerfed is because both the Veterans and Cheaters have taken a liking to it. That 'difficulty' is nothing to Cheaters. They can cancel out all forms of compensation and simply automate maximum lethality.

And weapon descriptions mean nothing. Especially in the case of N-HVR, they didn't even update that one.

[Darkzero3802 620]

Any cheater with a bot and macro can easily take you out with a 45 before you can kill them with a shottie or OCA. The gun is primary powerful and thats why 95% of the remaining playerbase uses it. Then theres the fact that legits suffer from non existant hitreg making it harder to kill someone while a bot always has perfect hitreg. If LO could do something about hackers it would help geatly but for the 45, make it 6 shots to kill instead of 5 and it would be fine. You have an extra bullet and a fast reload so its a minor nerf that would balance it out.

Edited Wednesday at 05:09 PM by Darkzero3802

[vsb 6188]

37 minutes ago, Darkzero3802 said:

Any cheater with a bot and macro can easily take you out with a 45 before you can kill them with a shottie or OCA. The gun is primary powerful and thats why 95% of the remaining playerbase uses it. Then theres the fact that legits suffer from non existant hitreg making it harder to kill someone while a bot always has perfect hitreg. If LO could do something about hackers it would help geatly but for the 45, make it 6 shots to kill instead of 5 and it would be fine. You have an extra bullet and a fast reload so its a minor nerf that would balance it out.

you’ve never hit 85% percent accuracy in your entire apb history bro, just say you want the gun dumpstered because it makes you mad

 

anyone whining for a ttk nerf without any buffs in exchange just straight up doesn’t understand balance

[sweetLemonade 125]

15 hours ago, LilyRain said:

To name a couple, factually, you should know that FR0G 'Kokoe' PR1 & N-FA 9 "Quickdraw" PR1 are unquestionably far more objectively useful in a serious disgusting-loadout vs standard Colby .45. Those that can't tell why should keep their 'opinions' in their pockets. Both are available PERMANENTLY in the Joker Store for roughly the same price as Colby .45, which a free-2-play player can get by... simply existing.

And the logic of 'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is outright nonsensical. Else, let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game, just because 'it is a primary weapon'. Like, no, that's just not the way.

I would personally group the FR0G 'Thumbnail' in the discussion too, but I agree with your points.
The 2nd paragraph is a great observation too.

To derail this topic a bit, since I find it nonsensical to talk about the ".45 AP being OP" when it clearly isn't, what would you do with the game's balancing if you were given access to edit anything you want? I find these types of discussions more fun, since singling out 1 gun is impossible as they're all heavily-related.

[koenyboy500 60]

A'ight. I'm gonna be the better man and just straight up not respond to some specific invididuals here who are CLEARLY ragebaiting and trolling.

Let's make APB:R enjoyable once more. Bit by bit. An endless fight, but I am willing to fight for it.

[Mitne 731]

On 4/8/2025 at 4:38 PM, sweetLemonade said:

To you and everyone who shares your sentiment: when are you finally going to get better at the game?
The .45 isn't the problem this game has.

For that comment, he get like and you get nothing.

That's how you all gonna approach skill curve in this game - so be it.

If secondary dominates weaker primaries, yes. That's very big problem. It's SECONDARY weapon. But that gave me idea - how about that... let's make it PRIMARY weapon since you so skilled with it? I wanna see you using it only. Oh but no worries, as bonus you can carry proper secondaries too.

 

Btw. I main .45 and while I love design of irl. Colt M1911 I still think it's ridiculous that bought gun is the best in game as secondary. FBW and Nano loses in fire rate, all pocket SMGs in base accuracy and showstopper in bloom. That's simply unacceptable that only "acceptable" option for secondary is that gun and everything else is basically "noob" level. And especially for me is unacceptable fact that face to face some primary CQ guns can lose to this peashooter.

Edited Wednesday at 10:32 PM by Mitne

[Noob_Guardian 419]

18 hours ago, Ysaline said:

FR0G 'Kokoe' has 12m range, dont know if you realised but thats actually really close. Up to 12m, there are comparable or better options.
N-FA 9 it has 30m range but also 70 dmg and crazy spread, you wont kill anyone pass 10m on one spray. Its s a hug weapon.

Hugging is the only scenario where some secondaries actually beats up some primary weapons but because of the poor range, i never had any problems with it.

'Secondaries shouldn't compete with Primaries' is a true statement, let me tell you why

"let us have N-HVR kill faster than every secondary in the game" - false, not every, but the equal equivalent
Take a deep breath and think about it for a minute. What gun N-HVR compete againts? Closest you can get is Colby RSA and you would never beat N-HVR with RSA unless N-HVR clearly messed up his second shot.

Its not an opinion, its a fact.

as ive stated before, you can keep the .45
buff it even, give it 10 shots, i dont mind, but give it R-2 'Harbinger' treatment. R-2 'Harbinger' which has even bigger dmg, longer range but also its difficult to use.

.45 description: The Colby .45 AP is an old warhorse of a gun - it was the gun that the FBW was based on and, like its younger brother, has great killing potential and is very powerful even to medium ranges. Unlike its sibling it doesn't have any of the modern comforts - it kicks like a mule and the larger caliber necessitates a smaller magazine.


my question is: wheres the "kicks like a mule" feature? In comparson, R-2 'Harbinger' kicks like what?

Fr0g was my favorite weapon, but honestly though, even though the 12m range the worst part is the exactly 200hp damage. I agree though, it really -doesn't- kick like a mule. Sure there's a bit of kick in comparison to the FBW and even the fr0g, but it's not "mule" worthy.

 

11 hours ago, LilyRain said:

 

 

 

That is.... the point of the Fr0g...

A stronger .45 WITH 10 shots rather than 7 but with some range cut off... You just proved my point. I literally mentioned the weapon BY NAME and you still didn't get it.

 

I fear people will complain that it is harder to use while .45 is as basic as FBW.

The reason why people want .45 nerfed is because both the Veterans and Cheaters have taken a liking to it. That 'difficulty' is nothing to Cheaters. They can cancel out all forms of compensation and simply automate maximum lethality.
 

 

I mean, fr0g is still less damage, it just has more shots. It's not much "stronger", it was a personal favorite of mine in comparison to .45, but honestly .45 secures kills easier imo, just because the damage is slightly higher than -exactly- 200 for the range (and the accuracy).

 

To be fair, cheaters at this point have automated NTEC to be full auto and never miss, without a second thought simply using macros. They've removed all sniper and vertical recoil on weapons, and the majority of horizontal. The .45 is simply reliable and easy enough to use that even if someone is cheating, a vet can still possibly have a leg up in certain situations.

Edited Thursday at 12:49 AM by Noob_Guardian

[LilyRain 704]

14 hours ago, Darkzero3802 said:

Any cheater with a bot and macro can easily take you out with a 45 before you can kill them with a shottie or OCA. The gun is primary powerful and thats why 95% of the remaining playerbase uses it.

That is something to be grateful about. At least there is a chance vs a Cheater using .45.

What will you do if Cheaters decide to aimbot and speed-teleport with OCA, JG, CSG, N-TEC, SHAW, Euryale, Carbine, N-FA 9, etc...?

Edited Thursday at 07:28 AM by LilyRain

[LilyRain 704]

6 hours ago, Noob_Guardian said:

I mean, fr0g is still less damage, it just has more shots. It's not much "stronger", it was a personal favorite of mine in comparison to .45, but honestly .45 secures kills easier imo, just because the damage is slightly higher than -exactly- 200 for the range (and the accuracy).

 

To be fair, cheaters at this point have automated NTEC to be full auto and never miss, without a second thought simply using macros. They've removed all sniper and vertical recoil on weapons, and the majority of horizontal. The .45 is simply reliable and easy enough to use that even if someone is cheating, a vet can still possibly have a leg up in certain situations.

Fr0g's slightly extra damage over 200 helps it reach 15 meters than a flat 12m. A great deal in exchange for 3 additional bullets, giving fr0g the ability to kill 2 players before the need to reload. People seem to always neglect that .45 can kill only 1 player at a time. A major weakness in APB, the game where going solo is purposefully made a death sentence.

'Not good enough to face a Cheater using a 0.8s ttk weapon on your own? No problem. Just rush the Cheater because health-Cheats do not exist. He factually can't kill 2 people at once with .45. He WILL DIE like anyone else'.
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Having extra damage is like having more computer memory. It is of no benefit unless to cross a new milestone threshold. In the case of secondaries, we can't freely equip mods like Heavy Barrel to transform any extra damage into useable benefit.

The extra damage .45 does compared to Fr0g (225 vs 210) is enough to bypass Kevlar ONE, which realistically nobody equips. This further solidifies the qualities Fr0g has over 45.

Edited Thursday at 07:24 AM by LilyRain

[LilyRain 704]

9 hours ago, koenyboy500 said:

A'ight. I'm gonna be the better man and just straight up not respond to some specific invididuals here who are CLEARLY ragebaiting and trolling.

Let's make APB:R enjoyable once more. Bit by bit. An endless fight, but I am willing to fight for it.

Correct mindset.

Problem is you're fighting on the wrong side. You'd actually make APB less enjoyable like those before you also thought they were in the right.

[koenyboy500 60]

Point and case.

And I'm gonna send some reports of spam as well

[LilyRain 704]

'I was proven wrong so I'll claim to stop responding, proceed to further respond and play victim'.

 

Believe what you will, let's see how many believe you.

[Ysaline 32]

3 hours ago, LilyRain said:

That is something to be grateful about. At least there is a chance vs a Cheater using .45.

What will you do if Cheaters decide to aimbot and speed-teleport with OCA, JG, CSG, N-TEC, SHAW, Euryale, Carbine, N-FA 9, etc...?

In other words, be glad the .45 is busted so we have something to defend ourselves from cheaters.

From what I've seen in this topic, you're very clear on defending it no matter what. And that's okay, but don't pretend you're doing it because of "logic" while you clearly invested emotionally.

Most people who loves the gun had to agree with the points we made, not everything but some of it. 
Some say the TTK is too short or the dmg is too strong, I say its recoil isn't punishing enough. If it worked like R-2, it would have been perfect.

[LilyRain 704]

53 minutes ago, Ysaline said:

In other words, be glad the .45 is busted so we have something to defend ourselves from cheaters.

From what I've seen in this topic, you're very clear on defending it no matter what. And that's okay, but don't pretend you're doing it because of "logic" while you clearly invested emotionally.

Most people who loves the gun had to agree with the points we made, not everything but some of it. 
Some say the TTK is too short or the dmg is too strong, I say its recoil isn't punishing enough. If it worked like R-2, it would have been perfect.

- No. Be glad the better players are fans of the Colby .45 because you will have no chance against them otherwise. This naturally includes Cheaters as well.

 

- Again, I care about facts as proven prior. Emotions and opinions have no place in an objective discussion.

 

- There were no "most", speak for yourself.

[Ysaline 32]

1 hour ago, LilyRain said:

- No. Be glad the better players are fans of the Colby .45 because you will have no chance against them otherwise. This naturally includes Cheaters as well.

 

- Again, I care about facts as proven prior. Emotions and opinions have no place in an objective discussion.

 

- There were no "most", speak for yourself.

Since you're a child who deliberately ignore the response in this topic, I will spoon feed it to you who's the "most" I speak of. 

skaterdanny1 - started this topic so it goes without saying.
koenyboy500 - you argue with constantly so there no need to quote.

ezmegaz68 - annoying meta secondary.
vsb - nerf is longer reload speed to punish mag dumping.
VanilleKeks - A reload speed nerf would definitely be justified. I would personally also make the ADS a bit less accurate.
greenfield - I will just say that i agree that .45 is OP.
PonuryZniwiarz - colby ap should be nerfed, its op everyone use it, its better than any other legendary.
EVInezca - The .45  gun need a nerf in ttk. 
Ardita - When almost everyone uses the .45 tag and switch to main weapon, something wrong in general with the .45.
Darkzero3802 - make it 6 shots to kill instead of 5 and it would be fine.
Mitne - I main .45 and while I love design of irl. Colt M1911 I still think it's ridiculous that bought gun is the best in game as secondary.
 

[LilyRain 704]

1 hour ago, Ysaline said:

Since you're a child who deliberately ignore the response in this topic, I will spoon feed it to you who's the "most" I speak of. 

skaterdanny1 - started this topic so it goes without saying.
koenyboy500 - you argue with constantly so there no need to quote.

ezmegaz68 - annoying meta secondary.
vsb - nerf is longer reload speed to punish mag dumping.
VanilleKeks - A reload speed nerf would definitely be justified. I would personally also make the ADS a bit less accurate.
greenfield - I will just say that i agree that .45 is OP.
PonuryZniwiarz - colby ap should be nerfed, its op everyone use it, its better than any other legendary.
EVInezca - The .45  gun need a nerf in ttk. 
Ardita - When almost everyone uses the .45 tag and switch to main weapon, something wrong in general with the .45.
Darkzero3802 - make it 6 shots to kill instead of 5 and it would be fine.
Mitne - I main .45 and while I love design of irl. Colt M1911 I still think it's ridiculous that bought gun is the best in game as secondary.
 

Let's see here, 11 people.

 

According to you, 11 comments represent 170 NA players + 420 EU players + God knows the # of those watching the game till it gets better by some sort of a miracle.

And since you mentioned vsb, he also says: "anyone whining for a ttk nerf without any buffs in exchange just straight up doesn’t understand balance". This is a direct response to your cries about 'Secondaries should be inferior to Primaries, unconditionally'. So that 11 goes down to 10 at the very minimum.

It is very apparent who is the "child" here.. You bluffed against factual stats from APBDB, FAILED and still continue to argue against what is set in stone... So you resort to an even more useless, petty level. Nice try, you failed again.

Have fun learning to click better than an average .45 user. Best of luck.

Edited Thursday at 02:02 PM by LilyRain

[Pedroxin 113]

Yes I agree that the 45 is not well balanced as it has a 0.7 TTK according to APDB, in my humble opinion, secondaries should act as a backup or finisher type weapons. Most meta SMGs have the 0.7 TTK like the whisper. Aimbotters aside, if someone is proficient with the 45 there would be no need for them to ever run an SMG in terms of raw TTK. I don't think in a 1v1 situation a secondary should beat or compete with a primary weapon. The current state if it also results in minimal variety in terms of your options when it comes to pistols as other secondaries since they usually have a 1 second TTK. I would pretty much prefer the 45 be brought more in-line with other pistols. 

[LilyRain 704]

11 hours ago, Pedroxin said:

Yes I agree that the 45 is not well balanced as it has a 0.7 TTK according to APDB, in my humble opinion, secondaries should act as a backup or finisher type weapons. Most meta SMGs have the 0.7 TTK like the whisper. Aimbotters aside, if someone is proficient with the 45 there would be no need for them to ever run an SMG in terms of raw TTK. I don't think in a 1v1 situation a secondary should beat or compete with a primary weapon. The current state if it also results in minimal variety in terms of your options when it comes to pistols as other secondaries since they usually have a 1 second TTK. I would pretty much prefer the 45 be brought more in-line with other pistols. 

Your opinion is based on a blatant lie. Not worth reading.

[Ardita 157]

18 hours ago, LilyRain said:

Let's see here, 11 people.

 

According to you, 11 comments represent 170 NA players + 420 EU players + God knows the # of those watching the game till it gets better by some sort of a miracle.

@LilyRain  

[sweetLemonade 125]

All these rage-induced ad hominem attempts at LilyRain, while he just quotes basic numbers from APBDB which the other party doesn't seem to understand?
It's bizarre to read some of these comments.

Funnily enough, the comments somewhat emphasize how much of a issue mixing the casual & competitive crowd together in a single basket was detrimental to the game.

[Ardita 157]

12 hours ago, sweetLemonade said:

It's bizarre to read some of these comments.

In general it's more bizarre to think and to say that disagreement equals rage against another person, at a community/debate forum.  

 

12 hours ago, sweetLemonade said:

Funnily enough, the comments somewhat emphasize how much of a issue mixing the casual & competitive crowd together in a single basket was detrimental to the game.

You mean, competitive in APB:Reloaded? Really? Ain't we all playing this casual and for fun?