OCA-EW 626-SD Silverado

[jmiIos 24]

Oca sd variant is the worst smg in the game and it's not even like worse in many ways but it still has some benefits over other OCAs, it's LITERALLY the worst smg, reskin of default OCA but made even worse, lowering down hard damage and by having smg silencer it's not possible to put cj on it and it has a 17.5m drop off range.

I checked some other old posts and OCA-SD has always been the worst OCA variant and it doesn't look like it will ever be fixed since you apparently think that it's somehow balanced???by having 2 open slots???as if there are any 2 mods that are not cj and rs that would make up for the lack of range, also it doesn't even have crouch modifier increased like oca whisper.

 

Then at least bring back OCA-EW 626-SD Silverado and Iron Reaper, and also what ever even happened to those weapons??? it was just removed from armas and now only certain amount of people have THE BEST SMG on 10m range, while everyone else has to play default Oca, totally not p2w. But you left the garbage VAS C2 Entente, Atac watchman and some other horrible garbage

I remember a while ago watching a seal streamer using oca silverado because he knew it was the best smg in the game and he said it himself, but you can only play it if you bought it before the late 2014 because after that they just removed it from armas?????

 

Bring back OCA-EW 626-SD Silverado and Iron Reaper on armas or put them in jt store and remove the lame joker EX-S9 or whatever that garbage is called from jt store.

It would still be balanced despite having 2 red mods, because it doesn't have rs3 and with cj2-3 it would bloom out a lot, also the effective range is the same as default oca and it would be even worse at 17.5m because at least on default one with combination of cj3 it's possible to put rs3 AND this weapon has the ugliest mod for smg after hb3 which is mp3.

Edited June 15, 2021 by jmiIos

[vsb 6171]

you couldnt just post this in the thread you already made on the same gun?

[jmiIos 24]

3 hours ago, xiphos said:

you couldnt just post this in the thread you already made on the same gun?

The difference between the one with open slots and pre modded one is night and day, and in that thread i was talking about buffing the drop off range of it to 30m like other silenced OCAs thinking that they forgot it in the last weapon balance or that they thought that it's balanced. But this OCA always had the worst stats and the pre modded ones even though it was 2 red mods, made sense. Because it had the worst stats, LITERALLY. Not even worse in many things but better in something else, just the worst.

 

And actually that SD variant did make sense while it had iron reaper and silverado, but then it was removed at the late 2014 when the last armas sale happened for it, clear p2w and money grab. Back at the time at least, when all the OCAs were unbalanced, at least now each variant is good at it's own place. Default one is good for up to ~15m with cj3 and rs3, Oca whisper for up to medium rang and this SD variant would be even better for closer range ~10m because of CJ2-3 and SMG silencer combination, but because it doesn't have rs at all it would already be bad ~14m let alone 17.5m even though it's the same drop off range as default oca. 

[ElectroStingz 53]

The OCA-EW 626-SD Silverado is a shadow of it's former self.

There was a time when it was op (like most things)

Then it became balanced

Now it's broken.

 

The current 17.5m range doesn't help, the limited 22 mag means you need to make sure you are on target and the bloom is a killer.

Plus the current server performance it simply feels like your rounds disappear.

[jmiIos 24]

33 minutes ago, ElectroStingz said:

The OCA-EW 626-SD Silverado is a shadow of it's former self.

There was a time when it was op (like most things)

Then it became balanced

Now it's broken.

 

The current 17.5m range doesn't help, the limited 22 mag means you need to make sure you are on target and the bloom is a killer.

Plus the current server performance it simply feels like your rounds disappear.

How is it broken now? I didn't try that weapon in years  but since it's a reskin of default OCA with hard damage being worse on SD, it should be the same except with less recoil because of smg silencer. That would make it easier to use than default oca since recoil starts to become noticable with cj3 and tracking would be easier, it would be better at ~10m only, because it doesn't have rs3 and it would bloom out a lot and like i said about mp3, it's the worst mod choice for smg after hb3 but that's just something to deal with since it comes at a cost of 2 red mods, maybe it was intended, idk.

 

And it would be nice to finally have an smg that is not a boring reskin, even though it's reskin of default oca combination of smg silencer and and cj would make it more interesting to play.

Also there was Iron reaper version with cj3.

[ElectroStingz 53]

Here from 2016

 

https://youtu.be/f-cG5ktAEN4

 

What you see in the above is no longer possible, range, speed and bloom all different. (i've lost track of all the changes)

 

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by ElectroStingz

[BlatMan 711]

Current OCA has no bloom if you shoot it at the same speed as the old OCA from 2014. The problem is the lack of range. 17M is too short considering that's the CSG + IR3 max damage range. Base OCA should be increased back to 30M to put it between shotguns and other SMG/AR hybrids.

 

Old (2014): http://old.apbdb.com/items/Weapon_SMG_OCA-SD_PR2/

- TTK: 0.67

- Fire Interval: 0.095

- Accuracy: 37 cm

- Per Shot Modifier: 0.5

- Shot Modifier Cap: 1.51

- Recovery Delay: 0

- Recovery Per Sec: 5.15

 

Calculated:

- Per shot accuracy loss, or per shot modifier increase: 0.01075

- Final shot accuracy loss (8 shots to kill, bloom after 7th shot): 0.07525

- Final shot accuracy at 10M: 39.78425

 

Current: https://apbdb.com/items/Weapon_SMG_OCA-SD_PR2_Armas

- TTK: 0.64

- Fire Interval: 0.091

- Accuracy: 36 cm

- Per Shot Modifier: 0.5

- Shot Modifier Cap: 1.06

- Recovery Delay: 0

- Recovery Per Sec: 5.35

 

Calculated:

- Per shot accuracy loss, or per shot modifier increase: 0.01315

- Final shot accuracy loss (8 shots to kill, bloom after 7th shot): 0.09205

- Final shot accuracy at 10M: 39.3138

 

Using old ttk with new bloom stats:

Per shot: 0

Bloom after 7th: 0

Accuracy after 7th: 36

[jmiIos 24]

29 minutes ago, SquirrelFace said:

Current OCA has no bloom if you shoot it at the same speed as the old OCA from 2014. The problem is the lack of range. 17M is too short considering that's the CSG + IR3 max damage range. Base OCA should be increased back to 30M to put it between shotguns and other SMG/AR hybrids.

 

 

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Old (2014): http://old.apbdb.com/items/Weapon_SMG_OCA-SD_PR2/

- TTK: 0.67

- Fire Interval: 0.095

- Accuracy: 37 cm

- Per Shot Modifier: 0.5

- Shot Modifier Cap: 1.51

- Recovery Delay: 0

- Recovery Per Sec: 5.15

 

Calculated:

- Per shot accuracy loss, or per shot modifier increase: 0.01075

- Final shot accuracy loss (8 shots to kill, bloom after 7th shot): 0.07525

- Final shot accuracy at 10M: 39.78425

 

Current: https://apbdb.com/items/Weapon_SMG_OCA-SD_PR2_Armas

- TTK: 0.64

- Fire Interval: 0.091

- Accuracy: 36 cm

- Per Shot Modifier: 0.5

- Shot Modifier Cap: 1.06

- Recovery Delay: 0

- Recovery Per Sec: 5.35

 

Calculated:

- Per shot accuracy loss, or per shot modifier increase: 0.01315

- Final shot accuracy loss (8 shots to kill, bloom after 7th shot): 0.09205

- Final shot accuracy at 10M: 39.3138

 

Using old ttk with new bloom stats:

Per shot: 0

Bloom after 7th: 0

Accuracy after 7th: 36
 

 

 

I did mention increasing the range from 17.5 to 30m on my other thread but only on OCA-SD variant and i still don't know if OCA-SD is fully a reskin of default OCA since this one has hard damage lowered to 13.5m but i don't think that's because of SMG silencer, it doesn't say anything about lowering it. I didn't mention it for default oca because people complain even about the current default OCA although i think it should be 30m, unless OCA-SD variant is an actual reskin and by changing default oca drop off range it would change it on SD aswell??? But then am afraid they wouldn't bring Silverado and Iron Reaper back in the game because it would be considered too op, maybe they won't bring it even at the current state because they think 2 red mods is p2w?? If they changed default oca drop off range to 30m which would also affect the SD variant and bring back both SD variants back in the game, it would be the best option but it's up to them.

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And to think that was my first investment in this game... awful weapon, i never use it anymore, actually it was always more like a pistol than an actual gun, cuz all its efficience was at close range, even nano is better for that matter, its decent at close and mid range.

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[Theronguard 20]

On 6/15/2021 at 1:44 PM, jmiIos said:

 

 

Then at least bring back OCA-EW 626-SD Silverado and Iron Reaper, and also what ever even happened to those weapons??? it was just removed from armas and now only certain amount of people have THE BEST SMG on 10m range, while everyone else has to play default Oca, totally not p2w. But you left the garbage VAS C2 Entente, Atac watchman and some other horrible garbage

I remember a while ago watching a seal streamer using oca silverado because he knew it was the best smg in the game and he said it himself, but you can only play it if you bought it before the late 2014 because after that they just removed it from armas?????

 

 

U know u can still get it from contacts (silverado)....the Vas c2 Trouble maker or entente if u want overkill, PDW Kris( identical to whisper but only comes with smg silencer leaving two slots open, the same thing u was looking for on the OCA with the silencer but only on Armas), atac watchman and patroller is better (in range and others), check the stats apb.com. If ur can't afford any like me then the hazardous XD, (got mines as a christmas gift from a nice person)....it can go for 650k to 750k on market and if u go asking in chat in servers 500k to 650k.... now as u have premium about 5hrs farming green server should get u that amount on crim.

Edited June 17, 2021 by Theronguard
correction

[jmiIos 24]

1 hour ago, Theronguard said:

U know u can still get it from contacts (silverado)....the Vas c2 Trouble maker or entente if u want overkill, PDW Kris( identical to whisper but only comes with smg silencer leaving two slots open, the same thing u was looking for on the OCA with the silencer but only on Armas), atac watchman and patroller is better (in range and others), check the stats apb.com. If ur can't afford any like me then the hazardous XD, (got mines as a christmas gift from a nice person)....it can go for 650k to 750k on market and if u go asking in chat in servers 500k to 650k.... now as u have premium about 5hrs farming green server should get u that amount on crim.

That's the default OCA silverado you are talking about, there used to the one with preset mods smg silencer, cj2-3 and mp3, which was available on armas only and now only certain amount of people have that one.

And if you read a little more into the thread you would see that the current OCA-SD variant is the worst smg in the game, 2 open slots don't make up for it and bringing back silverado and iron reaper would make more sense, even if they bring back drop off range to 30m it would still make sense to bring back those weapons since now only some people have them.

[Theronguard 20]

2 hours ago, jmiIos said:

That's the default OCA silverado you are talking about, there used to the one with preset mods smg silencer, cj2-3 and mp3, which was available on armas only and now only certain amount of people have that one.

And if you read a little more into the thread you would see that the current OCA-SD variant is the worst smg in the game, 2 open slots don't make up for it and bringing back silverado and iron reaper would make more sense, even if they bring back drop off range to 30m it would still make sense to bring back those weapons since now only some people have them.

...k, thanks for reply