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Ok, go on? What's the issue with my statement? Go ahead, I'm waiting for actual discussion.

You have no issues because you wanted it nerfed lol. The issue isn't the jump shotting, it's the terrible bloom feature it got. I've experienced it when I was playing and it makes it super inconsistent. Remember how you mentioned I wanted high skill high reward? There's no skill in RNG, Borus.

You missed why I asked that for ATAC. ATAC is it's own role in rifleman and a unique gun, it didn't powercreep anything since it was a new intro.

The ONLY guns you should have mentioned was the Nano/Troublemaker. THOSE were problems. I agree powercreep is an issue in the game. But the ATAC??!??! WHAT.

I think you are really off the mark here, lol. Aero is on to something, and you are over here bringing up YOUR interpretation of what other's said by saying "APB's design team has stated multiple times already, that they intend to have players have viable options, NOT must haves." Powercreep is when you bring a new element in that demolishes the predecessor, but the Ntec has been in the game, it was no new intro? A lot of these "powercreep" weapons you speak of were already here before lol. Overnerfing is bad, but apparently that's fine to you!

No no no... there's ALWAYS human error, no. This is a terrible idea imo.

Not sure how the point went by your head 404, but the whole reason the PMG "needs" a nerf in the first place is because it's main competitor got hit. When you nerf something, you go to the next best thing no? Pretty sure if anything, my point has been proven multiple times with how nerf meta has absolutely failed, and not resulted in diversity but in another gun taking up the mantle. The PMG is strong, I have played recently and gotten to experience it. It does not feel "broken" though, sure strong is a good definition, but it honestly feels like people get min ttk'd one or two times and just have to post something about it. You've pointed out in the ATAC thread in regards to this "buff stuff to compete" can be just as bad. Yes, I agree, mindlessly buffing is an issue. I don't think things should be done mindlessly though, and for w.e reason with nerfing everyone seems to have plenty of blind faith but not when it comes to buffs. Why is that?

I think instead of nerfing PMG, we just need to take a step back and see where the competition stands compared and make appropriate changes there, if anything revert OCA or buff for example. Not sure why we instantly go "nerf" when the only reason it's so strong is because you guys begged to nerf the competitors. Really smart system we got there eh?

What. the JUMP SHOTTING? LOL. You guys want an assumption maker? this is it. Holy hell. I finished reading your entire post here and I have no flippin clue what you just said to be honest. You clearly don't speak English as a first language, and this has resulted in great confusion man. No, Jump shotting isn't my issue with the nerf. I don't care about that particularly. I just didn't agree it should be nerfed, at all. It already happened, what is done is done. I'm basically here to argue the case that it WASN'T ncessary but w.e. I don't like random gimmicks either like what was done to the HVR but that's over too. Man I really don't understand where you got the jump shotting part from though, my only jump shotting issue had to do with the Scout. I think it was fun and balanced but apparently many disagree. Since the people who've been "debating" me on this have finally realized their shortcomings, I can now rest this and we can resume the original topic

That's what I thought, you didn't read anything. Hey LO, if you're truly looking through, this is the problem children of APB right here. This guy is exactly why we're down this rabbit hole. This mentality is it. I even mentioned the topic at hand, and he refused to address that part and is retreating with blank quoting and quoting himself. They have some weird forum ego and you've enabled it by listening to their whining. GJ I guess.

So we're continuing this data thing yeah? Gotcha... You just claimed I tried to twist your words, which ISN'T what I was doing, but actually what YOU were doing to me lol. You took 4 words out of an entire post to try to harass me on past/present tense. Nice. I called you out about not knowing anything about this data and you still haven't given me this "data" that you hold so dearly! You abuse downvote not because you don't agree, but because you don't LIKE me. The reality is, you don't like how I have been exposing this. Gotcha! I also did talk about the ATAC and how I think it's fine currently, and doing what it was designed to do, therefore yay, it's balanced as far as I can see. Cool good talk! You supposedly read what I'm saying but what it looks like is nitpicking certain things I say and not addressing everything because you can't since it exposes the fact that you have not only no clue what you're on about, but that I'm actually making talking points. P.S. You're doing a lot of what you're accusing me of, I suggest you use a mirror bud.

I assume he's referring to the Baylan tests (which aren't in favor of CQC as it does not do as well there) with the Ntec being pretty popular there. With gun balancing, you kind of need extensive testing of equal skill levels fighting each other in specific ranges. But I doubt that was done properly, and I doubt in this data. This is all assuming this is what he's referring to, but he hasn't stated anything other than "data data data." Kind of hard to tell.

I can clearly tell you don't know what you're talking about and are seething based on this post lol. Yeah you claim no one is reporting yet you downvote every post I make instantly because you're upset. Gotchaaaaaa. When did I claim it was you only? It's either you or Noob Guardian, that's why I said you guys lol. I know because it was specifically about "name calling" so nice try. And yes you're a broken record at this point about the data that you talk about so much. The problem is that it's not including the skill ceiling of said weaponry, and honestly there are a large variety of different level skill players. You have the top, you have the bottom and a huge amount in between. I'm not the Top, but I've vsed the top. They made all these guns look godly. I've seen silvers/bronzies pick up an Ntec and couldn't hit anything with it, but give them an HVR (all prenerf talk btw so you're not falling behind on the convo) and bam you're solid. Why is that? Because the Ntec requires you to hit more than 1 shot in a row to severly injure someone. Crazy concept I know! I never claimed data wasn't used to make decisions, I called you out for you repeating "THATS WHAT THE DATA SAID" when you haven't calculated s**t. Didn't realize you were such an expert on these things yo! I objected in previous threads, I objected here to the current Ntec state. You went off topic as well, so don't try to tell me how I derailed this completely and how you're some saint here who didn't pursue. I made the point originally that this is why the Ntec got nerfed, because the mentality here is to nerf something they died to and can't figure out how to beat effectively. It's a player skill issue, not a gun issue here. I also think the ATAC is fine, and I made that point. But so was the Ntec, and apparently how we think doesn't matter here since it's all in this "data" that you love so much

Runner you don't know what you're talking about clearly because you keep backtracking saying "look at the data." I've pointed that out and you're getting heated because we've finally exposed that you're not sure about anything apparently. I've exposed Noob Guardian as a hypocrite too. And you guys are reporting me because you don't like me pointing out the truth since it sometimes is harsher than you'd like. I basically got called an idiot by Noob Guardian, so again nice hypocrisy. Keep talkin data, why don't you source this? You cry "data data" but I haven't seen any to back these claims up. Leme guess you can't see because the company isn't supposed to share them? Imagine having blind faith in something you have no clue about. I have "tested" the data for them for years, why is my input not taken? Oh because that's how you all roll.

You have stated that the data showed it should be nerfed so therefore it should be nerfed no? Your words not mine. You said I should stop whining it's now "balanced" implies you agree. That's a fact. So yes, you DID tell us your personal opinion. Thanks gg this was a fun argument about how you finally realized how to come full circle and realize how silly your lil argument was. Maybe next time you can learn to type regular English.

You're really set on this "data" so much that you have such blind faith in it. Amazing. So tell me how the Ntec "dominated" CQC? You sure you don't mean "was able to have a fighting chance if the enemy misplayed?" Because that was the reality. In CQC, the Ntec did not "dominate" anything (nor does it now). I am talking past tense because we're talking prior to nerf no? That's the whole reason I had past tense, which you wanted to call me out for. The Ntec required you to play perfectly in CQC to have a fighting chance on a CQC weapon like the OCA. OCA would win 8/10 fights if I had to estimate based on personal experience, among 2 similar skill leveled players. The Ntec required a lot more skill than the OCA too.

All thread? I used logic on you over half of my posts, you're attempting to come up with your own delusions and with your latest post, proving what's wrong with your idea of balance. New players should not dictate how a game works lol. Why is a new player getting to have a say in nerfing something instead of learning the game properly like any normal human being? You're like the SJW of the APB balance team lol. I also didn't call you a name by calling you a weak player, I just called out your skill level and hypocrisy. You're just mad I exposed it. Don't expect a boo hoo from me ever, because I'm quite fed up with you ruining this game with your terrible logic and hypocrisy. You always love trying to pretend you're intelligent with how you speak too, honestly it's so pathetic lol. Then you hit me with a sentence that made 0 sense. I just read your last comment. Where does OP fall between? Broken is too strong, right? I'm trying to understand the logic pattern here of a guy who doesn't think logically. You quite literally admit to using that logic to determine things for YOU specifically, because YOU can't think critically enough to put them in the CORRECT place. Mr. "critical thinking." You wouldn't know what that was if it bit you on the patootie.

... This is the logic the balance team listened to... I just had an aneurysm reading this. Holy pp poo poo. What the actual fk dude?

You lost the argument by swapping to the subject of "name calling" when I called you a weak player. Goodbye, rest in peace! Borus you legitimately ignore all logic and just hate the Ntec, that's the honest truth. You need to relax lol. You crutch all the stuff you complain about here, you're so hilarious. You abused Hb2, you abused HVR. Get outa here.

Look, as much as I hate the PMG, it doesn't need a nerf. HVR just needed dmg nerf if anything, Scout jump shotting was fun for most and should still be around (OPINIONATED) while Ntec is very versatile but balanced. We didn't need those weapons to win most of the time, I did just fine without. I preferred OCA over PMG, and I prefered marksman weapons to the Ntec, while the HVR was stupid strong yeah and I did use it enough. I never once considered the Ntec as OP when vsing it with anything, lol. The fact that you immediately blame the gun as too strong, shows how weak of a player you are.

Yeah, you really do lack understanding, because you're swapping the topic to past or present now since you lost the argument. Typical

I mean I get where you're coming from, I was making an assumption myself, and I think what Flaws said is the same, but there's a reason we have people test stuff, and why SPCT exists. So I'm just throwing that out there... unless you guys are considered part of this, I don't see this being a bad assumption by us. The true vets that played the game, a lot of us have quit already, or barely come back because nostalgia. There are some that still stick around. However, as you can see by some of the people here fighting me tooth and nail to "prove" they were right that the Ntec was broken, a lot of remaining people are just "out-of-context" quoters that just want to be "right." So I think the wrong crowd has been listened too, just my 2 cents You are a vet Kev, you should know what I mean. The reason I loathe the Ntec nerf is because i f***ing loved this game, and I don't like the direction it has been going, or where it's gone. I even think the HVR change was a lil over the top.

So its safe for you guys to assume they have done this but it isn't for us to assume they haven't? Nice double standards. Very big doubts here I do not think they've gone through truly playing the game, but you do you man. I definitely have to go in agreement with Flaws here though.

It's a pretty normal assumption to make, but even if they are "playing" the game, they aren't doing it like normal people. For example, progressed from the normal start, gone through leveling, progression, "getting good" and well, putting the time in. That's what Flaws really means, because they don't play the game like we have. I think it's pretty safe to assume that by that definition, he's right.

CQC like what? It didn't beat CQC back then, and it doesn't now if the CQC is equal skill level and competent. My point was that if you are losing with the CQC, that's player issue not NTEC. You're whining about that as if I don't understand for w.e reason and have some weird issue with this. It wasn't "too strong" in cqc before, why would I not make the case for the pre-nerf version if I'm saying it shouldn't have been nerfed? Are you that incompetent to understand past/present yourself?