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Now you! everything you say i take with a grain of salt, simply because you hacked. YOU were part of the problem of APB, now you call my posts jumbled mess, you just show how ignorant you are. That is all visual proof right in your face, from hundreds of players i just posted some, not all. I didn't bother posting all of them, i just posted some, so you could get an understanding of how bad the situation of the game is. The fact is, you cheated. I played since 2011 never cheated, i'm not saying i'm special or something, but the thing is YOU gave up on the game the second you started to cheat. You didn't give a f*** about the game the second you turned your little hacks on. You were a part of the problem of why the BABIES left the game. Now you want me to believe, that you care for the game and it's future? Fixing existing problems and then implementing headshots to the game would make the combat more advanced, more skill based, instead of having a single one block of pathetic hit box that you don't even have to hit a character to actually make the shot count, you can just shoot next to a character and that would register as a shot! And YOU are trying to convince me like that is better than a well balanced and reconfigured hitbox system with headshots? I can't take you serious.

Matt Scott never talked about about headshots. How adding headshots to APB will make it a CSGO clone? do you even think before you write? That would make League of Legends a clone of Dota and Dota a clone of Warcraft 3. Guild Wars 2, Tera, all clones of World of Warcraft and World of Warcraft a clone of Lineage. Saints Row, Sleeping Dogs, Mafia, all clones of GTA. Crysis would be a clone of Far Cry. Doom would be a clone of Duke Nukem. Fortnite would be a clone of PUBG and PUPG would be a clone of Arma 3. Left 4 dead would be a clone of Killing Floor. Call of duty would be a clone of Battlefield. The Evil within would be a clone of Resident Evil 4. The Crew would be a clone of NFS and list goes on and on the whole gaming industry would be cloned, you see how flawed your logic is? If you say APB just because of headshots would somehow become a clone of CSGO then you automatically remove yourself from any serious conversation because you literally make no sense.

I barely joined the forums because i was one those players who got used to the constant bs of the game, it made me think it's normal, but the more i played the more it got to me that game is absolute mess. You say the game is in a good state? you're one ignorant individual. You compare APB to Black light? it's a completely different game one is 1st person shooter other is 3rd person shooter completely different combat, different movements, everything is different. 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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.336051-APB-Reloaded-one-of-the-worst-communites-I-have-ever-seen ` skip to 1:58 the funny thing is that's how majority of the gaming community views this game. So yeah right, Fortune Runner. Oh hey ZombieBiscuit i already seen your "gold" skills in the videos you posted, you're right, you're the best, now since you got nothing really meaningful to say how about you go and make more videos on how perfect apb is while showcasing your "gold" skills. Oh and don't forget add more of those silly corny anime thumbnails oh f***, i forgot i didn't mean to insult you, they're more than just drawings to you. You call those silly drawings your "waifus" right? if so then go on, Keep making your videos about how perfect apb is while showcasing your "waifus" along with those "gold" skills of yours.

And then we got TIGGS no offense to you TIGGS got nothing personal against you. But i strongly believe that you had more experience taking her of your horses than actually taking care of the game for the past several years. And right now it shows because LO needs to take care of the mess that APB has become from all these years. Look at this This video dates back to 2012 yet it's still applies to this day... In fact this player would be even more pissed right now than he was back in 2012. It shows that APB has never changed and always stayed in the same broken state.

Everything else needs to be fixed so the headshots could be implemented. A very large amount of the community? that's like what? 26 players? You want real fun? do you even play? Black light retribution you compare that to APB? you can't be serious... If you compare APB to Black light there is nothing else left to say to you... You're trying to teach me about the game? I've been playing the game since 2011 the game always had problems. Look at this, look at this man, 2011 e3 APB skip to 1:51 the developer doesn't even know what district he is on? what kind of bs is that?

You can't keep your answers straight at first you say players will camp, then you say players will have no place to cover themselves. You keep throwing arguments with no real weight behind them. You said if APB had headshots it would become a subpar knockoff of CSGO. CSGO and APB will never be the same ever, regardless of headshots. At best you could try to compare APB to Fortnite just because it has headshots but even then it would make no sense APB will always be APB. Only thing people compare APB to which it always has been compared to is GTA it's like a cops n robbers GTA parody type game with worse driving and even worse combat overall game flopped. That's how majority of the game industry look at APB they think APB is a joke... Hell the players themselves make memes out of APB. Again didn't you get banned for hacking? if so that just shows that the second you decided to hack you gave up on the game, becasue you were getting your a** kicked 24/7 by a bad matchmaking again if you hacked you're were part of the problem of destroying the game by hacking you just show to the new players of how bad situation in this game really is. The new players see that and they don't bother to even play the game anymore so they quit, and never comeback. The whole game needs to be reworked regardless of headshots look at this These new players are babies. They barely can understand the game and what to do. There is no real preperation for them instead they get matched up against a silver who is more experienced, that silver is in a bronze district because he probably got tired of dealing with golds that kick his a** 24/7 in the silver district. So golds kick silvers out of the the silver district then silvers come to bronze district and they kick these babies out of games. The whole system is broken. Whole system needs to be reworked regardless of headshots. The driving the hitboxes, the hitreg, the servers, the matchmaking the weapons everything.

We have to change a lot of things regardless of headshots... If you don't see the state of the game is in right now that's your problem. I've posted above what's wrong with this game go read. I think you need to get a set of reading glasses it looks like you never read what i posted above if that's the case there is no point for you to comment right now, because your comment holds no value you just say something to fit in with the rest...

APB will require large amounts of development time due to nearly every system in apb needing changes regardless of headshots. You sing the same ol song. Headshots wont slow the game down. The game pace is dictated by the players. Even now without headshots, the game sometimes goes fast and sometimes it goes slow, it depends on what players you play against. Again what makes APB stay APB is the customization adding headshots to APB wont make it a subpar csgo knockoff, your argument is so invalid... Then you could say Battlefield is just a subpar knockoff of Call of Duty just with bigger maps...

So i'm a troll because i said the truth? everybody who goes against your beliefs is a troll? If you fail to recognize that this game has a lot of problems then ironically you're a troll yourself.

Quite the contrary, you can see that "invisible box" it's what the crosshair shows when it turns red. What? you can't be serious.... you aim at the character nobody aims for that invisble hit reg box.

You fix the hit reg and the hit box then you implement the headshots. picking a character that is tiny, or tall characters complaining that they're at a disadvantage is bunch of bs. Its comes down to skill the height and weight of the character is not that drastic if you could create little paper thin midgets then you would have more of a solid point. The players will adapt to the enemies hell they wont even feel the change. When you aim at a character you don't see that invisible box you still aim at the character not the invisible hitbox.

-We've established hit reg? you got to be kidding me? go up top watch the videos. The hit reg we have now is a complete joke. You don't even have hit the actual player you can shot close to him and it will register as a shot.

The guns, the hit reg, the spawns, the matchmaking, everything needs to be reworked regardless of headshots. Headshots just adds another reason of why it needs to be reworked.

Headshots would be just another reason to rework the combat along with the rest of the problems that the game has.

Oh alright, when i show the true state of apb now you want the thread to be locked? typical b**** s***...

Alright Kemp, this is you, a guy who has been playing the game since 2011 a guy who has countless hours clocked in the game, a guy who knows this game in and out a max rank gold. And here you refuse to play against 3 max rank golds because you know you're going to get your a** kicked and you don't want to stress over it. Now a silver or a bronze with a few days of experience gets matched up against 3 players like that and they get completely destroyed, you think they're going to press k again? or are they simply just going to press esc and quit apb you think new silver and bronze players don't get discouraged like you just did here? The fact is apb's bad moments outweigh the good moments, a lot of players start the game in a good mood and leave being pissed. here is another video of you having some great and fun moments. You think the new players don't feel the same anger when they play? they just give up when they get matched up against high rank gold for 10th time. You only get fun out of this is when you're the one at the top and not the one getting your a** kicked. The whole game already needs to be reworked. Right now the main thing that shines in APB is the customization, everything else is a competition of who sucks more the combat or the driving? the server or the matchmaking or the bs spawns? Everything needs to be reworked either way. Headshots just add another reason of why it needs to be reworked, the system is already broken and needs a rework regardless of the headshots.

If the players think the game is ok at this stage and it has no problems it's either A) They don't play the game B) They play the game but they only come to social to just talk with other people and hold hands with all other female characters. C) They play the game but they get used to the constant bs that this game has, so they begin to believe that it's normal.

The small group of players that are still playing are the ones who recognize the potential that this game could have under the right managment. The players they become used to this constant bs of the game, the lag, the hit reg, the server problems, the matchmaking, overall unbalanced game they become used to it, they start to think it's normal, they begin to think that's how it should be, when in reality it's not, things got to change. Majority of the players act like sheep they're afraid to stand up and try to give ideas that could improve the game, they're afraid that other players will think negatively of them it's like crabs in a bucket one crab tries to do something other crabs just pull him down. Lets face it, majority of the veteran players don't give a f*** about the new players in missions, after they lose they just bash the new players because the new player couldn't meet their expectations for the mission, so what does the new player do? he says f*** i'm not going to deal with this bs everybody constantly trying to put a blame on me for not playing like a pro when i just started the game. And the thing is the new players didn't come to a gold district to play with the veterans, it's the veterans who came to a lower rank district, and the veterans complain about having low skilled mates and what they do? they push the lower rank players out of their own district that's the best case scenerio, the worst case they push them out of the game, that's in it self is ludicrous.

C'mon my man you got to be kidding me? you act like everything flew over your head... The game is already at the sate that it needs to be reworked it has a lot of flaws already regardless of headshots and you got to fix those problems regardless of headshots... Headshots just give you another reason to rework already broken system. The thing is man, i showed you the people who took time to show how the game is broken, they took time because it really got to them... Now imagine the players who don't have enough patience to make and upload videos about how broken the game is the new player and other players what they do? they just say F*** IT, they get tired of dealing with the bs of the game, So they quit and that's when the pop of the game drops. The fact is G1 never took good care of the game it shows, They were just shoving joker boxes down the players throats. You can try to hide the game's flaws but overtime they're still going to pop up, you got face them and fix them. This game is never going out of this dirt if we keep pretending everything is ok.

C'mon my man you got to be kidding me? you act like everything flew over your head... The game is already at the sate that it needs to be reworked it has a lot of flaws already regardless of headshots and you got to fix those problems regardless of headshots... Headshots just give you another reason to rework and improve already broken system.

Another Problem this game has is the unhealthy amount of anime trash there is. It's true but it's not the only problem this game has.

Okay, lets be realistic lets say LO implements the headshot system and optimizes everything around it, hitboxes that already need to be reworked either way, mods, weapons etc. Would it make APB worse to play? Would it make APB less fun to play? lets be realistic, someone like Banned and these other guys they're not doing anything positive to promote this game's health, they want the game to be at the same broken state as it always been. The headshot change would not hurt the game in fact it would benefit the game the players would adapt to it and find interesting ways to make new plays also it would bring in new players. On top of that the driving has to be fixed it's the worst driving probably ever created in the history of games it's absolutely terrible. Lets face it the players are like wives trapped in abusive relationship where they remain silent and pretend everything is okay or they leave but keep coming back to the abuse that's how they act with this game. The cars feel sluggish some feel like paper cars like cisco, other cars feel like they're loaded with ton of bricks like vegas, the handling is horrible theres got be a fix for this, instead people like Banned and these other members who don't care for the health of this game just trying to bury the problems and pretend they don't exist, that doesn't work, you can't just shovel dirt on problems and pretend everything is okay. Jebus117 6 years ago#4 apbdb.com That site has stats for all the weapons, including shots to kill. Keep in mind that there are quite a few unreleased/test weapons in there as well. But I don't think any gun takes a whole mag to kill someone, so long as you're accurate and don't try to use your weapon outside its effective range (i.e. tying to snipe someone with a shotgun). Oh and I should also point out that shots do the same damage regardless of where they hit. So there are no headshots. Getting shot in the toe will hurt just as much as getting shot between the eyes. XBL GT: Atticus ngoster (Topic Creator)6 years ago#5 That's kinda lame, no hs. Anyways imma download the game and see whats up, thanks for the info. Posted by u/WereBoar Joker | Enforcer 3 years ago How does damage work? Damage from guns seems to be completely random, being able to kill someone with a PMG in 3 shots from far away or being able to kill them in more but they're closer which doesn't make sense to me. This could even happen before they've been damaged. And what is the difference between Hard damage and Health damage? Sort by Wolf__girl Patriot | Enforcer 3 points · 3 years ago Also, its worth mentoning all players have the same single hitbox, so headshots etc. are irrelivant. WereBoar Joker | Enforcer 6 points · 3 years ago Wait, what? The player is just a single big hitbox? That's absurd. a comment i found on ign apb site NiGHTS88 said: Yeah, I heard about the game's failure a few months ago. Apparently it is incredibly imbalanced and disappointingly shallow; the game did not get much market exposure, either. They didn't even have hitboxes to allow for headshots. A shot from the same gun does the same damage on every part of the body. then it got replied with it's a joke. https://steamcommunity.com/app/113400/discussions/0/619574421474580527/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/113400/discussions/0/2183537632739721929/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/113400/discussions/0/540741131081304010/ i could've given you a lot more steam topics if LO didn't wipe all the previous steam posts and started fresh... https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/280787/how-can-this-be-a-shooter-without-hitboxes-or-headshots I'm sorry if this thumbnail is offesnsive to somebody, you can direct your blame to ZombieBiscuit with her/his poor choices of picking thumbnails... I'm sorry if this thumbnail is offesnsive to somebody, you can direct your blame to ZombieBiscuit with her/his poor choices of picking thumbnails... look at the first clip mainly. if somebody makes a video like that it just show how unbalanced the game alredy is... Banned you always talk about hit reg and how adding headshot would need to rework hit reg, that's a good thing because apb always needed a rework in hit reg not only the that whole game needs to be fixed because g1 never cared about anything but joker boxes, headshots would give you another reason to fix the hit reg. vehicle hit boxes is a joke aswell... Sometimes with a car you get gently pushed and die at other times you can run in to some players at full speed somehow they don't die the car just pushes them away, flaws like these makes this game already in dire need for a change. As far as cars go i want to direct you to this thread this is a man with a bright thinking and has high hopes for a change that is needed in this game, his ideas must be heard it will really improve driving in this game not only driving music aswell i also like his comments on crouch options. - also add this make an option to shoot without your head being out, blind fire it wouldn't be as accurate but still effective as you move cover to cover. On top of that add quality reload animtaions where you actually see mag getting replaced, Another thing having your primary gun on your back when you use your secondary weapon.

How dare you talk to me like you got no business being here anyway at first you try to discredit me now you're trying to silence me? You got no real counter arguments. I all i did was post solid solutions to fix majority of the games problems.

I'm sorry what the fuck did you just said to me? kobayashi maru to yourself? I suggest you leave this thread and never come back you got no business being in here anyway. What i do is post real solutions for the game you on the other hand are trying to discredit my every single post with your spam, troll, posts.