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  1. Posted · Edited by SillyBear

    19 hours ago, Ydiss said:

    A lot of anger, you have, young padawan. No idea how you're reading any of this from what you've quoted. "Bringing back stuff you liked"... Not once was that asked for. 

     

    I might have to Ydiss translate for you. 

     

    "RTW started badly. G1 didn't do enough to fix it,took too long to do what they did do. G1 made some questionable design decisions. Game got really boring after a while. Despite this, game is good fun still. Better than it used to be." 

     

    But it's really not that tough to understand. 

    Is not as hard to understand that no one cares about being rtw player and your experiences on it or comparing apb with cs or what mistakes been done or what is YOUR opinion in the game right now (since you are completly new for not playing the game for so long and you say its still fun...................) if not how to make it work NOW.

    Maybe you need to refresh your own memory with that spacing mess you wrote and understand why anyone could get lost. Still you can fairly say it adds nothing, NOTHING. I think is not hard to understand either, right?

     

    But lets step aside and do Matt his job and execute his great plan and bring the engine update and lets see how it turns.

  2. Posted

    On 5/23/2019 at 4:09 AM, Yvez said:

    It's absolutely fine that you can't find any examples of games that were shut down and went on to be revived and gain critical acclaim. Although, out of "all of these" two examples you provided, I don't know what "poe" is (I can only guess that it's Path of Exile but that doesn't appear to have shut down or failed at any point) and Warframe, so far as I know, didn't result in the developer going bust regardless of its slow start and bad reviews.

     

    But let us take these both as perfect examples of bad games turned good, for the sake of supporting your argument, which I think you may be forgiven for plucking out of thin air to support whatever it is you're trying to tell me (still not 100% clear by the way); this didn't happen with APB. This is a major reason, for me (and I stress "for me" because that was the basis of my OP), that APB didn't keep me playing for longer than I did; it started badly and even though it recovered with the help of G1, it stagnated and never really pushed on to generate an influx of new players, didn't generate enough revenue and, in the end, didn't move forward fast enough to keep me playing. 

      

    The reason this didn't happen with APB is because it's incredibly rare for a game where its developer actually goes bust within months of its release to go on and be a commercial success. The fact that APB is even still here is a miracle. A happy one for me, personally. But a miracle nonetheless; it's unsurprising that its development never attained the levels required to really make this game hugely successful. Like Warframe appears to be, for a really good example.

      

    Can you please be more specific what you're trying to say, by the way? At this point, we know you think CS is not the same as APB (I also played CS and I totally agree with you on that point; that said, nowhere in any of my posts in this topic have I claimed otherwise). As useful a topic as that may be, I don't think it's got anything to do with this one, so I'm guessing you are really trying to tell me something else. I'm really interested to know what that is.

      

    After all, you can't possibly be trying to persuade me that my account of my own reasons for leaving the game are wrong, because that would be daft.

      

    PS Sorry but I don't use reddit. So, just for you, I've added some more spacing. I hope you like it!

      

    Merged.

     

    Sorry, can't edit my post but I wanted to add that if you maybe haven't picked up on it that I'm mostly being facetious with my posts to you. Whilst we probably disagree on a few things, I suspect that we both probably agree on a lot more (I didn't mention it but, let's face it, the rise of cheaters didn't help keep us playing and if anything can be said to “ruin” a game, then it’s cheaters - it was probably the final nail in the coffin for us - and I guess we can both agree that the game should have been better developed/supported over the years?)

     

    I agree with you that CS isn't a good comparison for APB, although I wasn't trying to compare them. I also agree that your perspective (I assume you didn't start playing the game in 2010?) is likely to be different to mine. I do respectfully disagree that my perspective as a returning player is irrelevant, though; I have the benefit of experiencing the game at its inception, during G1's tenure and now, around a year after LO took over, and that insight allows me to draw a pretty clear conclusion that the game hasn't significantly changed (definitely not considering it's almost a decade old). So a lot of what I thought of the game before holds true now and I think the responsibility now squarely lies with LO to change my perception.

     

    I don’t think the game’s popularity is likely to significantly change though. I’m guessing you agree with that. 

     

    God what a bunch of unnecessary blablery.

     

    It doesn't matter much the game, you need to make it appealing in order to be succesful. There are plenty of points to be made but i dont want to type more because it would be a lot and i would skip stuff (not really brilliant mind here)... and a waste of time and effort. Just look for anyone to tell you what went wrong with apb step by step, it wont be me.

     

    That you are and old player is pointless because the game changed. Bringing back stuff you enjoyed back then probably wont be a good idea bringing back today because people is ussed to this gamestyle, and it can probably open a new wound to bleed more players lol ("more").

     

    Stop forcing your nonsense. I don't want to type book for you, i don't want to investigate for you, don't derail the fucking discussion with outdated gameplay and other games, no one cares.

     

     

  4. Posted · Edited by SillyBear

    Check succesful games or games that somehow manage to keep players hooked, check their pop history in steam charts...

    If i forceful had to name one game, probably poe and warframe comes to my mind... all of these had shutdowns or big failures and managed to somehow survive. You that play the lawyer or attorney, why dont u look for that information yourself?

     

    Can you stop with that annoying spacing from reddit please, thanks.

     

    Merged.

     

    23 minutes ago, Glaciers said:

    a fair point i guess

     

    i do feel like cs players would be far more likely to enjoy apb than a variety of other shooters - both games are slower-paced, tactical, objective based shooters, and both have fairly simple arcade shooter gunplay

    I play(ed) cs since 1.5 and i really think it has no comparison with apb more than both has crosshair and you are able to fire guns.

  5. Posted

    1 hour ago, Glaciers said:

    im curious what game you would say apb is most similar to

    I doubt i ever played something similar to apb... the most close it was a third person shooter (forgot the name) but thats it.

    You can't simply compare apb to anything really.

    1 minute ago, neophobia said:

    how so? he played it till threat segregation - at least - after that, apb didnt even see thaaat many changes. he obviously experienced a lot of the game. and he literally is speaking from his experiences, which all seem somewhat relevant. and they literally are what ruined the game for him and he returned? if he was new, he couldnt really comment on what ruined the game for him.

    i really dont get what kind of point you want to make here.

     

    the comparison to cs... yeah, cs was old but always had a bigger and more thriving community - because of its roots too. apb never had that.

    but yeah... just not having deep roots doesnt meab a game cant be successful... hm. idk.

    i also think despite being shooters they are fundamentally different but still somewhat cater to the same audience? there are no real similarities despite being shooters and somewhat competitive. (obviously isn't nearly ad competitive though) but i think this is already enough to be able to compare the games somewhat.

     

     

    They are diferent games "new" apb and the old one. Saying that he misses the old wont help in anything.

  6. Posted

    27 minutes ago, Yvez said:

    Thanks for your reply. 

     

    The sole point I was making is that apb started life badly, could have been handled better initially and really should have been much more successful early on than it was.

     

    By all means, if you'd like to rebut that point I'm very interested to see what your thoughts are. Definitely a lot more than your two logical fallacies you lead with here (strawman and ad hominem). 

     

    PS I chose CS as my example not because it is a shooter and definitely not because I thought apb is at all similar to it. Around the time I recall CS was still one of the most populous Steam games. Apb didn't come close. 

     

    I think it should have. It's a shame it didn't. It's directly linked to the state of the game today. 

    Any game starts badly... it gains popularity if it is worth and fun.

    Check any succesful game.

     

    "Strawman and ad hominem" LOL. Where do u come from, resetera?

  8. Posted

    19 hours ago, Yood said:

    what don't you understand ? the forum participant is upset by the chaos in the game and the inability of developers and the community of players to find a compromise solution to make the game comfortable .

     

    The only solution is a true gamer that understand what is to have fun and experienced apb to some degree that can lead the game without listening to the community because each member has a different opinion of what is correct. I spit here and there things that could ojbectively improve the game from my experience of non stop playing the game for years. Ofc i didnt expect to take me seriously even in obvious points that the game needs desperately...

    I said this (about the community) even directly to some person i wont name but i been given a smart answer. From that moment i knew things could end wrong (not just by this sign but others). So i am pretty tired of reading retards saying "we need more communication and listening to the community".

     

    Conclusion: there is no saving it imo... UNLESS engine upgrade is really happening, meaning that critical things like hit reg or other core game issues will be FIXED; cheaters are dealt with for once and all and prevent them to reroll at any costs; find someone (i dont know who, just find someone lol and gl there) that can help improve the game for real and not some shitty "balances" that crap on weapons and give a middle finger to people who put some kind effort into them (to make it better and more enjoyable, not nerf fest or focus on negative points). After all that slowly introduce new content into an angry and tired "community" (i wouldnt even call that to this) [Removed non PG13 appropriate content] ~@mayii

     

    That would be my last attempt to give a serious opinion because i know everything is wasted into the void.

     

    Merged.

     

    7 hours ago, Ydiss said:

    This is a rough translation when the text is run through Ydiss translator:

     

    "There is no hope for this game. Will RIOT save it? No? But I am pleased because it means I don't have to keep playing just to be gold threat cannon fodder. I will never play again whilst you [gold players] are playing, you hold no power over me. You are all cheaters and liars. You may claim you are not but even if you do admit it, it'll be just the same as the past several years [no change]. That is if the game even lasts as long as it'll take for you to admit it. 

     

    The only reason I'm still here is to enjoy your suffering. I wonder why you stay when you suffer so much. But suffering is a good teacher. I have never suffered without learning something from it. 

     

    But go figure. When the suffering is about something as common as playing a game, you neither gain nor lose anything for that matter."

     

     

    Thanks a lot, i allways wondered what was he trying to say and allways been left with the doubt.

     

    You've got some serious skills dude.

  9. Posted

    On 5/21/2019 at 11:31 AM, Yvez said:

    As a returning player that started playing in RTW early access but hasn't played since about 2012, I can't comment much on what's happened during my hiatus but I can chip in as to what stopped me (and I suppose most of my friends) from logging in, finally. 

     

    1. Primary reason was basic, normal fatigue for the game. I don't think I've ever played a single online game for more than 3+ years straight. I don't think I'm alone. You should all consider that most online games don't thrive for longer than a couple years, let alone the nine years apb has been about for.  It's an old game.  

     

    2. This really is linked to the second reason which is just that it started off badly and was managed poorly by RTW. I'm not going into the long list of issues, most of us will know them by rote. But, apb was never as popular as it possibly should have been at launch. It wasn't as popular even as Counter Strike was at that stage. And CS was ancient by then. So, the natural attrition of players over the years had a head start, really.  

     

    3. G1 Were my heroes, initially; without them, I'd never have played the game again after September 2010. But they just didn't have the resources to do what was really necessary. Or they didn't want to. Or, more likely, bought an IP that was never going to return nearly enough revenue to warrant the kind of investment apb actually needed (and still needs, I guess, though perhaps that horse has now bolted). So, yeh... Refer back to point 2. If RTW, may they rest in peace, had started it off better, things may have been very different. 

     

    4. The infamous TTK change. We (me and my clan mates) all hated it, both in principal and in practice. Undoubtedly, the weapons needed work back then. But what happened irrevocably altered the whole feel of the game. We complained. A lot. We accepted our complaints were futile. We adapted. We got used to it (those of us who stuck it out) but I still remember how that severely impacted our love for the game. It sort of never was the same from that moment on and that was really early in G1's tenure. 

     

    5. Threat, gold districts and, mainly player segregation. Almost the nail in the coffin. I've always advocated a smart, practical and seamless way to ensure we're closely matched to opponents of similar skill. G1 failed to deliver it. In a pretty big, messy way. Forced the horrible threat meta upon us. Didn't react nearly quickly enough. Severely reduced our enjoyment of the game. 

     

    6. Armas was pretty expensive and I really disliked the rental approach. Thankfully, I see that LO have significantly improved this (so much so that I'm considering some small investment if I keep playing). 

     

    I think that sums it up. Obviously, still no engine upgrade in all the years since isn't great. I can imagine how that would have killed off quite a lot of the population. 

     

    I'm not convinced Riot will have a significant positive impact. Perhaps if it was introduced in 2010... New game modes are new content, which should be a positive thing. But if they're not integrated with the existing content in a very old game, they just segregate population more. This is only justified if it brings in/back enough players. 

     

    I didn't come back because of riot. So we'll see what that brings and if it's fun enough to do. 

     

    The game itself is still fun. I'd say the engine upgrade (and so the ability to match make across instances/jurisdictions) is really key. 

    Just my opinion: comment as a new player because after all those years you are just that in this game. No one cares if you played apb 20 years ago.

     

    I laughed at 2, comparing it to cs? At this rate we could compare apb to harry potter... the only thing both games share in common is that you are able to fire guns. Dude seriously, your whole text has no weight whatsoever.

  10. Posted

    On 5/21/2019 at 8:50 AM, NotZombieBiscuit said:

    Imagine being such a soyboy that you care this much about a bad TV show.

    Filled with womyn empowerment.

    There is not enough amount of soy i could drink to even make me watch this show, and i cant believe people still enjoy it.

  15. Posted · Edited by SillyBear

    On 5/18/2019 at 5:13 PM, Fenton said:

    Is it just me, or do people in the APB community have a really poor attitude to other people in the community?

     

    I've seen slurs directed against assumed race, gender, sexuality, virginity, mental capacity, place of origin and religion. Even if these don't offend me personally, I expect more of a supposed adult community and I have been continually disappointed.

     

    Is it worth asking Gamers First/Little Orbit to police the community?  

     

    Should we all switch off our chat, close our eyes against the Nazi symbols and hum really loudly?

     

    Are we even capable of policing our own community and expecting better things of ourselves?

     

    Discuss.

    Please stay away with "im offended" bs, like we already have enough here in the forums (like getting warned for "sexuallity and nudity" posting a furry video that is totally allowed in yt for all audiences ).

    They should simply add an option to completly remove the chat or just use it with your friends so you can feel absolutly safe in your safespace.

    Why dont you just play the game instead of carefully reading every-"offensive"-comment to force yourself to get offended and report everyone in a decaying population game, wouldnt you enjoy it more?

     

    Maybe if this game finally start moving on wheels people wont be as toxic. It simply means they are not really enjoying it if they have time to complain and insult each other.

  17. Posted

    1 minute ago, CookiePuss said:

    If you could tone down the attitude, that would be helpful. 

     

    Please have patience with the players who have been paying attention, when it's clear that you have not. 

     

    As far back as the Q&A Matt addressed the improper bans and the need for unbans. You can find the entire transcript in this thread. 

    The relevant portions are as follows:

     

    Q: The anti-cheat system. Will you be making any changes? 
    A: This was the number one question. I think the community is super divided, especially the second part of the question. Will we be changing cheat detection? Absolutely. We’ve been working with Battleye, and we think that they are the market leader in client-side anti-cheat. We’re already three quarters of the way into the integration. The reason why we set this date was that we could get something concrete in place before announcing it, and also to allow the new support system to gain traction. But we think that this is the most important thing that we could implement to immensely help the game. We also mentioned that we’re keeping FairFight, but without doing auto-bans. The system has not been tuned for a year, and wasn’t being updated while the company was struggling. In my opinion with FairFight and Battleye, which will come in the next patch we put out, will be the ideal solution.

     

    And this:

     

    Q: Will there be unbans? Will it be a full reversal or partial reversal?
    A: This is such a divisive issue. These last two weeks have been extremely busy for Little Orbit, especially with GDPR. What I did was sit on the customer support calls and worked through issues. We had FairFight auto-bans and I sat on the line with customers and logs, and we can clearly determine that there were improper bans. Those bans shouldn’t have been in place. It’s really hard for me to leave those bans in place. But I do want to say that this could raise issues of “oh these cheaters are bad” but specifically the bulk of the cheating bans are going to be reversed; the community is going to get a second chance. We’re not going to unban all players, for instance players committing credit card fraud, but we’re going to unban the majority of the bans. It’s going to be quite a bit of work trying to get the next patch out, but once that happens, and we get the updated FairFight with Battleye, there’s going to be unbans.

     

     

     

    This has been discussed several times since. Feel free to use the search function yourself to learn more. 

    You can give as many excuses as you want, karma is a fuzzy bunny...

     

    Oh and i dont tone down anything and less with a troll with "helping" complex.

  18. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Mitne said:

    First you need to form proper answer and not just jump on me.

    *Sigh*... Fine. But I won't go deeper in YOUR delusions.

     

    LO said so. Do you know something we don't?

    Yeah. Since they run test to trigger freaking ban with several successes. And no, they CAN discern cheater (first months they did get rid of quite a lot of cheaters) but I assume whoever handles ban, slacks off. Then there is problem that this morons keep rerolling as well. And got tools which help them in that - HWID Spoofers, VPNs etc.

    They allways did, lets give them more chances ;D

     

    And you know you are lying, theres been people unbanned that didnt deserve to be unbanned (there are some posting here like if nothing happened)... the rest are pure cheap excuses no one believes.

  23. Posted

    20 minutes ago, Mitne said:

    That's the problem. How do you find out who is in that "minority" of non-cheating?

    FairFight flagging system was at best lacky, at worst... just didn't work.

    At last year people were banned for playing game normally, all while people blatanted the hell out of game with zero consequences.

     

    Be happy there was unban, otherwise my mug would still be long gone. My unban is "second chance" for game. (I mean by that point I didn't wanted to create second main, pour money into dead game and go through even more bullshoot than it was in 2016-2018 so I decided to give up, unless my account somehow gets unbanned - I must have someone above because it was freakin miracle to me.)

    How do you even know that? They cant discern a cheater they can tell that IT WAS NOT WORKING PROPERLY? Please, don't-make-me-laugh.

  24. Posted

    10 hours ago, NotZombieBiscuit said:

    Do you believe the holocaust was real or not?

    If it wasnt real, why is there so many people paying for it all over the world?

    You can't simply say "it didnt happen" without facing prison, doesn't matter where you live.

     

    You goyims never learn, do you?

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