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  1. Posted

    1 hour ago, SyllyBear said:

    Read the part about private stuff i said in the post you quoted. They are going as far as nullify anything even in the streets because its "private". More like "pirate".

    Y'know, Katchwi, for someone who advocates for "freedom of debating", you sure aren't interested in actually having an open debate. If you were, you wouldn't outright say to another participant of a discussion (in this case, Matt Scott himself) that you don't care about their stance on the subject.

    3 hours ago, SyllyBear said:

    ps: your text seems weak and not inspirational to me honestly, and im tired of hoping.

    Hate me, spit me, insult me, ban me w/e it cross anyone mind, it will not change mine.

     

    [also, the fact that this silly comic that responds to XKCD manages to repeat the flaws in logic that XKCD pointed out in the first place is an entirely different issue (see: "invited to speak and then told you can't" conveniently ignores the existence of Terms of Service and other forms of contracts; it also pretends that "consequences of speech" such as companies/groups/hosts refusing to be associated with a speaker and denouncing them is somehow censorship)]

  2. Posted

    1 hour ago, BXNNXD said:

    mobile shield could turn into a large xmas tree ornament, an easter egg, a small row of candy canes, a skull, etc

     

    epinephrine could probably be modified so that the usage has different holiday related effects (snowfall, bats, leaves, etc) instead of the blue smoke

     

    usage sounds for consumables could be altered as well: jingle bells, evil pumpkin laughter, the headless horseman vegas horn scream, turkey gobble gobble sounds, etc

    I'm kind of on edge on the mobile shield part (mostly because of the horrible issues with hitboxes these things would probably have, especially with the egg and the skull since they're more spherical objects. That being said, the rest honestly doesn't sound too bad. Could definitely add a tiny bit of seasonal flavor to the game.

    I'd be fine with that happening - but not now. For now, I just hope LO manages to release the Engine Upgrade on PC and address the many concerns about the game.

  3. Posted

    I think Ketog had already made a thread on this subject once, proposing the bars in item info panels to be replaced with numbers for clarity. It would definitely save some players a trip or two to APB database sites.

  4. Posted

    6 hours ago, Genobee said:

    Alternative designs to them for holiday themes would be quite interesting. Could provide more incentive to partake in holiday content.

    Personally I can't think of any different implementation of that idea than recolouring ammo boxes to look like presents. What would you propose for, let's say, the Mobile Shield? Or the Epinephrine Injector?

  7. Posted

    How many shrooms does one even have to be tripping on to spout this kind of overly pompous, paranoid nonsense? Like, dude, get yourself employed as a writer or something - your posts wouldn't look too out of place in a cheesy "teenage hero fighting the system"-type story.

  9. Posted · Edited by MartinPL
    Missing ) symbol.

    If anything, the system by which players receive the reward is flawed at best. I've had someone win round N, then the same person won round N+1 in which I finished in second place. I pointed out that the player had already won and the prick had the nerve to write in /d "better luck next time :)". Not gonna lie, I feel cheated out of the prize because of that.

     

    I'm still thankful for LO organising this little event, since even despite its shortcoming it's still a lot more than what G1 had "given" us over the last couple of years, however I have to say that there are some big flaws regarding the event. For starters, the rewards should be distributed to the first available person who meets the condition (if #1 has the skin already, give the skin to #2; if #1 and #2 have the skin already, give the skin to #3 and so on) - this incentivizes further gameplay and makes sure that everyone has a shot at winning the grand prize.

  13. Posted

    Just now, Lily Rain said:

    Your trollish behavior was obvious from the start

    "you say things I disagree with, therefore you're a troll".

    1 minute ago, Lily Rain said:

    unless your IQ is indeed below average.

    Ad personam.

    1 minute ago, Lily Rain said:

    I have given you enough time as is, thanks for the laughs.

    "I am so totally beyond this! I don't care about your opinion! and to show how much I don't care, I'll care enough about my image to throw in a petty insult at the end".

     

    All things considered, it was a pleasant altercation. Now hopefully the thread can return to its usual form.

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  14. Posted · Edited by MartinPL

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    Of course, since you don't seem to know the meaning behind the vocabulary you are using..

    So the best thing you can do is nitpick the choice of words. Gotcha, duly noted.

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    The issue is adding more choices and life to the game, even if it means handicapped-gameplay or limiting it to showing off designs (it has already been done to some mods and weapons people perceive as sub-par to meta). Again, I have already told you to refrain from limiting APB to the best possible ways to win a match. You may only run around with the most dominant loadouts if you so wish. Nobody is stopping you regardless.. 

    "Clearly the only reason he is disagreeing with me is because he is a tryhard who just wants to win every match". Try again.

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    It intrigues me that you actually said that, considering that your arguments were all based on your own shortcomings in situational awareness and lack of basic driving skills..

    I know, right? It's also intriguing how you used the exact same ad personam bullshoot twice, accusing me of being unable to drive in APB!

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    The meta is the meta, but once again, Players DO STILL drive other vehicles such as the previously mentioned Packer Vaquero. Simply because they WOULD LIKE TO DO SO. If you are a meta-Player who simply refrains from variety, that is your own thing.. Plus, nobody is forcing you to play with things that puts you at a disadvantage. If you can't handle the heat, you are more than welcome to stick to your beloved meta.

    Ad personam again. Try to avoid doing that in the future if you want to claim any moral higher ground.

    The meta exists whether you like it or not. The choice of equipment is up to every player, but these are the meta options for a reason - versatility.

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    Proper, constructive disagreement is the way to go. Using arguments that portray your own laziness and shortcomings as a player, in addition to a harsh tone & vocabulary that you do not understand half of is not.. Perhaps revise yourself before taking it out on others.

    Pot calling the kettle black much?

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    No... just no.. You have clearly said and I quote: "Not to mention that you'd be pretty much exposing yourself to almost instant death if you somehow end up hitting a wall head-first or fall off at a high speed"... This has nothing to do with one's driving skills, hmmm? Okay...…………..

    Yes. The word "somehow" involves scenarios influenced by other players' actions. It's not that hard of a concept to comprehend, though if you wish to argue semantics again, be my guest. You do seem to have an affinity for it.

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    You are advising me to read and consider your stance when you don't read yourself nor considered mine's, Sir... I have clearly stated and I quote from myself: "APB isn't just about having the best methods to win a match and shouldn't be viewed as such. It is well-known that APB's selling point is its customization and freedom. Do not constraint Players to play the game in the easiest/cheapest ways possible to win".

     

    Please…. read before you act...

    "I know better what I meant AND what you meant". Also, cute ad personam at the end there. That's how many times in one post again?

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    If you actually read yourself, you'd see that my argument was about acceleration and navigation that rivals small cars.. I did not speak about top speed.. You'd also have known that I don't care about your beloved meta..

    Wow! It's almost as if the speed at which both vehicles are moving (i.e. equal or different) is not a factor in physical confrontations of cars and bikes! /s

    34 minutes ago, Lily Rain said:

    If you wish to have a fruitful yet civil discussion, I encourage you to work towards it starting from yourself.. 

    Pot calling the kettle black again.

     

    And the cycle of pettiness of both of us trying to have the last word continues... :]

    Unless you wanna break the cycle and just drop it here. Be my guest - I'm only responding because you are.

  15. Posted

    1 hour ago, Lily Rain said:

    "Obsolete" pertains to something that is too old, outdated, replaced by something new... Being different in seat-capacity, number of tires, total volume, etc doesn't make bikes obsolete.. Both cars and bikes currently use the same technology. If one of them goes 'obsolete', so does the other. Perhaps when Nuclear-Vehicles become the norm you could call them obsolete.

    Getting into semantics, huh? The issue is still that the upsides of motorbikes are offset in quantity by their downsides. The cars already do most things the bikes do, but better.

    1 hour ago, Lily Rain said:

    I have already told you, not all cars have cargo capacity to begin with. Additionally, not all missions contain heavy barrels, computers, etc to carry. APB requires players to be dynamic. In the same manner that you can switch to a close-ranged to counter a PMG-Pleb, you can also switch vehicles if needed. Simply go to a vending machine or a car spawner, press i and select a vehicle that fills the current mission's need. Additionally, not everyone would have bikes as active vehicles, since there are people like you who prefers to drive cars 100% of the time. IF the entire team is full of Cyclists, they can not hate you for doing the same thing you are doing.... Do you honestly worry about a game that has haters everywhere? They should learn to carry their own weight first. Heck, an entire team of Cyclists won't have to change vehicles anyway, Civilian cars are abundant if your team is too lazy to switch.

    And hypothetical situations. Sure, let's play that too.

    Not all cars have cargo capacity - and this is why the meta consists of Pioneer, Espacio, Vegas 4x4 (and slightly less so Jericho and Bishada). If I need cargo capacity or a mobile wall, I can switch to a Pioneer. If I need speed, I can switch to a Vegas. And I could switch to a bike... if I wanted to get spun out and killed by any car at all that rams into me?

    Plus, civilian vehicles do not offer any modification capabilities. And the lack of a Mobile Spawn Point or a Mobile Radar Tower really starts to hurt the longer you're in the mission.

    1 hour ago, Lily Rain said:

    No shaming intended but please do learn how to drive the starter Machina before anything else.. Your argument is clearly applicable to either Bronze Players or those whom are yet to get accustomed to latency-driving.

    Honestly thought I could have a civil conversation here, but oh well - apparently any kind of disagreement with someone else on this forum is interpreted as a direct attack that also requires an ad personam response. Sure, two can play that game.

    This point in particular had nothing to do with one's driving skills. It's a fact that motorcycles are lighter and less durable than cars. Getting hit by a car while you're on a bike will either toss you off, make you lose control, or outright smash you to pieces.

    1 hour ago, Lily Rain said:

    You did not substantiate your claim. All you are saying here is 'no to bikes'..

    Except the claim was substantiated. Their low healthpool, small physical size and practically nonexistant cargo capacity make them only good for player transportation and no other role. You would have known that if you had actually read my post in its entirety and considered my stance instead of trying to pick for things you could misconstrue.

    1 hour ago, Lily Rain said:

    » If the Vegas hits the bike from its side, the Vegas will bank the bike sideways and mow over it. Physics just doesn't work like that, unless Devs re-shape a car into a bike with a massive invisible hitbox, that would look unfinished and terrible.

     

    It won't push the bike into a wall unless the bike is already there by the wall asking to get rammed.

    Though this part wasn't aimed towards me, I still want to add something here.

    Currently, the highest top speed in APB is limited by the engine (see: the fastest car, Vegas G20, is only so fast that it lets the map load in as it moves), which means that if motorcycles were to be added in the current state of things, they would still be on par with the high-end cars, speed-wise.

     

    If the Engine Upgrade will allow for higher top speeds, then perhaps motorcycles would be a fun little experiment. The worst that could happen is that they end up not being used by anyone due to their shortcomings.

  16. Posted

    5 hours ago, Lily Rain said:

     

     

    This is exactly why nothing new gets added to the game..  for a decade, because more stuff are "not needed". Because more features won't add variety nor fun..

     

    Although I agree that motorbikes are not needed AT ALL, that doesn't mean they would serve 0% purpose. We also do not need the fragile-mod for instance, but I personally enjoy it and the small speed-gain from it made my team win some matches in the nick of time.

     

    It is true and reasonable that bikes can not provide the protection of a car/van/truck, but they can accelerate faster, navigate through ever tighter spaces compared to the Packer Vaquero. Players can not shoot back? Perhaps not with the primary-weapon but surely they should be allowed to shoot with a pistol at least.. bikes can not carry bags or barrels, heck even my Devil Dog's Cisco can't but players themselves could carry necklaces and boxes... There are also those who would spend time customizing the appearance of their bikes for the purpose of taking pictures and overall, make APB look more alive (this could help bump up the player-base btw, perhaps not by much but it could). There are always two sides to the same coin. All the negatives mentioned have adjacent risk-to-reward counterparts that could prove useful in some matches as well as add variety to vehicles and.. fun..

     

    I understand that at the present moment, it may not be possible to add bikes due to the fact that all vehicles protect players within, so perhaps later in the future if we ever get lucky to see regular and bullet-proof window-mechanics added (and it was this way for years). However, the argument of "not needed" is too bland and not valid at all. APB isn't just about having the best methods to win a match and shouldn't be viewed as such. It is well-known that APB's selling point is its customization and freedom. Do not constraint Players to play the game in the easiest/cheapest ways possible to win.

    I honestly appreciate your argumentation, however there are some things I still disagree about - the most egregious one being the purpose of motorbikes. Even taking into consideration the positive aspects of motorbikes (navigation of spaces such as doorways and car blockers in front of stairs, high acceleration), I frankly can't imagine them as anything but obsolete when compared to cars.

    With many missions in the game forcing you to carry items to your base, picking a vehicle with absolutely no cargo capacity is an active detriment to your entire team's efforts. Arguably you could work around it with Creme De La Crime's items by letting them be held in one hand (although even that would be an active risk to the driver, seeing as one hand less is controlling the bike), what about Chemical Warfare, where the final item is a Sarin-filled barrel? If anything, your team will hate you for not having a useful vehicle for that situation.

     

    Not to mention that you'd be pretty much exposing yourself to almost instant death if you somehow end up hitting a wall head-first or fall off at a high speed. And getting forced into this kind of an altercation by, for example, enemy cars pushing you around and making you spin out, isn't hard. You could argue that APB doesn't need to be realistic because there's already a bunch of unrealistic game mechanics in the game, but I think that there are some things and "rules" that should be kept natural and realistic, to avoid subversion of expectations.

     

    Motorbikes' only purpose in the metagame would be getting from point A to point B at any cost and regardless of risks taken to get there. They don't exactly fit anywhere and don't belong as anything other than a thought experiment, a "what if this was a thing" hypothetical situation.

     

    I would absolutely love to see more new content (the Showstopper was a good start), but this just ain't it. We really don't need motorbikes.

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  18. Posted · Edited by MartinPL

    Also, to drive the point home, I've actually talked to a friend of mine (who's an avid Warframe fan with ~1500 hours in the game) about the validity of the statement about hoverboards in Warframe. You literally couldn't have been any further away from the truth. The community's requests for vehicles - not just hoverboards, but any vehicles at all - date back to the first Developer Streams. The first mentions of such requests appeared on Devstream #3 (proof); the streams happen every two weeks and right now they're on Devstream #118. According to Rebecca, DE's community manager/producer, Devstream #1 happened in November of 2012. The game itself left Closed Beta in March 25th, 2013. You do the math.

    Additionally, hoverboards (or K-Drives) aren't the first vehicles to be added to Warframe, being preceded by Archwings (enabling 6DoF gameplay in space and underwater areas) and Dargyns (flying skiffs in the Plains of Eidolon open-world area).

     

    Claiming that Digital Extremes have instantaneously jumped to creating the Fortuna update with the intent of introducing hoverboards, and a whole new open-world location to use them in, is a straight up lie. Please at least TRY to find something that isn't easily debunked next time you'll try to trashtalk Little Orbit for perceived underperformance.

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  19. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Queen of Love said:

    Warframe= community asked for Hoverboard or something similar: 3 months later there are Hoverboard and an entire new map for use it.

    APB= community asked for motorbike in 2010. Still waiting plus a good amount of toxicity around any new real suggestion and innovative idea.

    Fortuna was not developed with the sole intent of giving the players access to a hoverboard mechanic. It's a part of it, but not the cornerstone.

    Motorcycles do not fit in the flow of APB. I myself am guilty of having supported the idea of adding motorcycles in the past, but upon further consideration I can't say I agree anymore. Choosing a motorcycle as a personal vehicle would put the player at a disadvantage. You give yourself a vehicle that's essentially too short to provide cover, has too little health to withstand any real damage, causes you to be exposed to gunfire (like you were on foot) except you cannot shoot back, cannot carry any baggage (and I imagine it could not work as a mobile spawner)... so why even have it as an option?

     

    False equivalency of the "weight" of features, try again.

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  20. Posted

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    No. I was arguing that since those symbols are not used with neonazi intent, they therefore aren't neonazi sumbolics.

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Except that, those symbols weren't used with hatefun intent.

    A rose by any other name [...]

     

    22 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    I only adressed the parts that were mistaken, and explained why. If you equate pointing obvious mistakes that resulted from what I can only consider poor reading comprehension on your part as "manipulating the intended message" then I suggest you spend more time figuring out what it is you want to say.

    Still nope. You cherrypicked the part that, when taken out of context, can be considered mistaken. Try again.

     

    This one will do without a quote; Sorry, but you'll have to try harder than just saying "no it doesn't count because i say so" to disprove my stance.

     

    29 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    That you convinently omit in turn eventhough it could've effortlessly and irrefutably proved me wrong. Which just leads me to believe you're yet again full of air.

    ???what

    I'm sure there is a timeline in which this statement makes sense in context of my previous post. This one ain't it, though. You literally omitted a part to misconstrue my statement, then when I called you out on it, you're saying that I omitted something?

     

    25 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Yeah, which is why it was a poor choice on your part in my opinion. My point still stands as you've only confirmed it.

    Black-and-white morality much?

     

    26 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Trying to suggest? You are raving. And slandering me at the same time.

    I would never resort to such slimey tactics. But those might not be beyond you I suppose? That could explain your antipathic tone.

    Yeah, you clearly would never resort to "such slimey tactics", which is why in your first interaction with me you insulted me and tried to undermine my position by implying that I "lack reading comprehension".

     

    27 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Anyway, you bring no arguments to the table, have clearly no understanding on how to argue - or even what consitutes an argument for that matter - have been needlessly rude, and just keep on making nonsensical claims. I am not responding to you anymore until you learn how to argument your points at least semi-decently.

    That's rich coming from someone who can't bring any argumentation that goes further than saying "no it doesn't count". But sure, if you want to pretend that you hold any sort of moral higher ground here, be my guest. We could do with less defense of the use of Nazi symbolics nowadays.

     

    virtual five bucks says he'll reply anyway despite going "i wont talk to u anymore until the arbitrary point where i decide that i care >:("

  21. Posted

    2 minutes ago, kurbstomp88 said:

    but the point of the matter is the symbolism is very much a part of outlaw mc culture its part of what seperates 1%ers from yuppies

    First off, that reeks of gatekeeping and the no-true-Scotsman fallacy.

    Secondly, exactly what about the "outlaw motorcycle club" culture requires its participants to flaunt insignia loaded with bigoted messaging? Is it about believing in your own freedom or about being all "look how many races and minorities I hate!"?

     

    5 minutes ago, kurbstomp88 said:

    and I may have certain undertones to my character and I have unpopular beliefs but clearly to the fact my character has looked this way for 7 years I clearly don't go around racial attacking people or yelling racial slurs 

    I'm unironically grateful for the part after the second "clearly" in this quote. Still does not absolve anything before that in my eyes though.

    If your beliefs require you to use hateful symbolism, perhaps you should reevaluate your priorities. And the point still stands that you've been in violation of the Terms of Service for seven years and the only reason that went unnoticed is because no one bothered to look closer at your character's clothes and report it.

  22. Posted

    16 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Allegedly. Which doesn't mean much. Nazism was a group united behind an expression of protest towards the mistreatment, abuse, hated, and violence aimed at the German people...

    Source? Because I seriously doubt Antifa ellected you to speak on its behalf, so I'm not willing to just swallow your opinion as truth here either. :^)

    Nice false equivalency with the Nazi comparison there, by the way.

    17 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    It's also been recognised as a domestic terrorist group for over a year now. Poor choice.

    Wow, it's almost as if activism wasn't limited to just peaceful protests, and it often extended into questionable tactics!

    Also, good job on trying to suggest that I'm advocating for their actions. (Which, let's be clear and put this on record, I'm not. Violence doesn't solve anything.)

  23. Posted

    Ooh, someone wants to defend neonazi symbolics!

     

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    And how would you go about determining non-virtual to virtual hatred?

    Perhaps through people's decisions to deliberately use symbols loaded to the brim with hateful messaging behind them, hm? I'd give you the benefit of the doubt if our pal kurbstomp88 here was "just going for a themed character", but their actions and opinions expressed in this thread cast heavy doubt upon that notion.

     

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Feel free to try and prove your unbased claim. However, you can't just claim things as if they were truth and expect me to accept them with no real effort on your part.

    Feel free to amuse me by trying to claim that 88 is not a hate symbol. (click)

    I wonder what will you resort to here. Bingo sheet suggests you'll try to undermine ADL's authority, but hey, even those are wrong sometimes 😉

     

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    As we've established before, we're not talking about the movie. You lack reading comprehension.

    I like how you've conveniently left out the part where I literally mention that the situation changes when the Black Panther Party and the New Black Panther Party are the focus. Next time, please try not to manipulate other people's posts when they're visible to everyone. Or just don't manipulate the intended message, 'cause that's kind of a shitty thing to do.

     

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    How is that relevant? I think that most people agree that people dying is a bad thing and that war brings sorrow. Platitudes aren't arguments.

    That is relevant, because it explains the reason why those symbols are stigmatised. Unfortunately for you, just because you misunderstand the argument, it does not make it invalid.

     

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Source? Because I seriously doubt Germany ellected you to speak on its behalf, so I'm not willing to just swallow your opinion as truth here either.

    Besides, if what you said were true, it wouldn't be in history manuals and there wouldn't be any museums dedicated to the events around that period.

    @first line: ...are you seriously trying to get me to explain an axiom to you? You don't have to be German to understand that it's a dark chapter in the country's history. All it takes is a history lesson or two in that field.

    @second line: That's yet another instance of you conveniently omitting the part that, if included, would render your point as moot. Notice this and try to do less of this in the future.

     

    21 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Then perhaps you should educate yourself on the topic of semiotics. What is important isn't the symbol per se, but the intent to which it is used to denote a certain meaning.

    In this case it can be argued that it's solely been used to demarcate itself from other bikers groups percieved as less hardcore and/or posers.

    @first line: ...yes, that is what I've been saying before. The intent of the symbol's use loads it with meaning.

    @second line: ...so showing others that you're "badass" by invoking Nazi symbolism. Huh.

  24. Posted

    1 minute ago, kurbstomp88 said:

    im not against it I strongly believe people should have pride in were they come from and there culture

    Okay, so why does "your culture" require Nazi symbolism to be expressed?

     

    2 minutes ago, kurbstomp88 said:

    u know they kind that promote BLM and Antifa as activist grps while the confederate flag was all but removed from American history for being "racist" 

    ...that's mostly because yes, that is literally the case.

     

    Black Lives Matter is a group united behind an expression of protest towards the mistreatment, abuse, hatred and violence aimed at the African-American populace of the United States.

    Antifa is, as the name suggests, a form of opposition towards fascist groups ("anti-fascism"), except their methods involve direct confrontation instead of political opposition. (This does not mean that I support all of their endeavours; violence is never the solution, no matter which side of any conflict is responsible.)

    The Confederate flag was used by the side of the American Civil War which advocated for their "God-given right" to take away the liberty of black people and use them as slaves.

     

    Choosing to defend the erasure of the Confederate flag in public context is a stupid hill to die on. However, I entirely agree that it's a bad idea to try to completely erase it instead of, for example, including it in history books as a reminder of which symbol was used by advocates/supporters of those notions.

  25. Posted

    11 hours ago, kurbstomp88 said:

    and frankly were is the line drawn ive seen players named kuntakinta and black panther themed characters

    The line is drawn at displaying non-virtual hatred towards other races. Kind of like "88" in some contexts can be associated with Hitler (H being the 8th letter in the alphabet, the chant "Heil Hitler" consisting of two words starting with the letter H etc.). Presuming innocence of the numbers in conjunction with the term "curbstomp" is either gullibility or malevolence.

     

    42 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    Also I'm of the impression that the "black panther" he might be refering to might not be the comic hero eponymous to a recent movie.

    42 minutes ago, Onadan said:

    I'm getting mixed signal here. 

    Kunta Kinte is a character supposed to depict the fate shared by a large number of slaves taken from Africa - loss of freedom, fighting for oneself, remaining by one's values despite facing opposition etc.

    Black Panther - the superhero movie - deals with (and discusses) issues of identity and isolationism, both of them being directly tied to the issue of racism while not actually displaying racist values. It's one thing to talk about racism, it's another to actually express it. It's not that hard of an idea to comprehend.

     

    The only case where there's something wrong with "a Black Panther character" is if it concerns the Black Panther Party and/or the New Black Panther Party, both arguably being hate groups.

     

    11 hours ago, kurbstomp88 said:

    this would be one of the symbols that I have been using on all my toons for 7 years a back patch but per the ruling I just saw could get me banned and im not about to lose 700 dollars over a image that frankly I feel bad for u if u are so weak that is some how affects you 

    Ah yes, calling those who take offense to your stunts "weak". That'll surely work.

    You entirely deserve getting banned for this kind of symbolism, especially considering this has been going on for seven years - a time when the ruling was still in place.

     

    Perhaps you do not comprehend why people take issue to symbols like the double lightning bolt referencing the Schutzstaffel (SS). It's a symbol that is literally associated with Nazi Germany - a regime responsible for literally the deadliest conflict in human history, with over 60 million people dead as a result of the Second World War. It is a black mark on the history of Germany, which even that country itself would rather forget and never allow such inhumane times to happen again.

    It's cute how you went for the "i'll just mirror the swastika and it's a peace symbol" approach, by the way. The Nazi Party literally started using it to try to force the association of good luck and auspiciousness with the Aryan race, which they perceived to be superior to every other race. As time went on, this created a social stigma, because the Western world after the world remembered the absolutely heinous shit the Nazis have done under that symbol.

     

    18 minutes ago, kurbstomp88 said:

    and racism is racism doesn't matter the color of your skin. 

    Yeah. So why do you insist on using racist symbolism if you're clearly against it?

     

    If the "biker culture" cannot exist without displaying symbols with racist/hateful meanings, then let it fucking die.

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