Recon_Puppy

Well, you see, I didn't make this thread, so you have the wrong person pointed out for that. As I have stated Trash talking is fine, its when it goes overboard and people get too "into" themselves that they start being toxic. There is a difference believe it or not, and I'm not stranger to trash talking, I have done my fair share.

A game doesn't need to be labeled as competitive for people to be competitive with it, thats purely a mindset thing. With how low pop the game is right now you might as well be listening to the same 10 people for hours on end, and with the way LO is going its only going to get smaller, especially if their plan for an unfinished riot mode gets released.

If the veterans vanish at this point the game flops. I'm here trying to give constructive criticism for LO so that they see their current path isn't good. That it won't pan out like they want it to. Does APB need new content? Yes. Does that content need to be unfinished and broken? No. But they are aiming for that. They can't keep enough interest as is in the base game with new players, therefore if the veterans leave, the new people leave quicker, and the game dies.

I wasn't saying you have to force the system to be standardized over everyone, I'd be perfectly fine with making it an option. I still have to say, you can get over the skilled players and dethreaters with hard work and dedication if you are willing to do so. I acknowledge that not everyone learns the hard way in the game. Which is why I've suggested adding and actual learning curve into the game to allow new people an easier time getting into the game. As for the problem with toxicity, there is a point where it becomes tasteless and outright unattractive for the game. APB has reached that point. It should be reigned in more. As I've said there is a difference between trash talking and Toxicity. With Trash Talking you are spurring the competitive aspect of the game which is great! With Toxicity you are attacking someone or a group of people which in moderation is OK and workable, however in APB's case its past that line, it is way too abundant. Its basically if Thanos snapped to double the toxicity.

Precisely, this game needs to run well before anything is added so that way the main issues that are left are bugs or glitches, so you can finish ironing out everything. As it stands APB is much like the highway in Financial district: Largely incomplete and needs repairs.

Thank you very much good sir.

The hope is always that LO will keep the game going, if for nothing else than Nostalgia purposes for most. I have my own issues with the game in regards to community or lack of progress on performance enhancement. I still play it for nostalgia reasons myself, it can be quite enjoyable despite the glaring issues that it has, namely the server performance. You are right, there is no game like APB and thats precisely why I love it and want to see it do better than ever under LO, sadly my hopes have typically been dashed by business decisions on their end. But nonetheless, the game is enjoyable. I do hope you continue to have fun in the game alongside everyone else for as long as the game may survive. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

That depends on how much you understand I suppose. Or how hard you swing the stop sign.

I don't think that reporting is enough personally, it doesn't work well given how far behind LO is with customer support. But again, this is just my opinion.

That post has me concerned and worried for you. But can I get a translation anyway? lol

Thats because generally games aren't handling it properly. The /ignore only goes so far and the ignore list is only so big, it'd be much easier to properly set something up to deal with it. Even if it means changing the toxic statements into something funny/witty. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with trash talking as that spurs the competitive nature of games. Toxicity is worse than that 10x over. That is why I am so against it, its way too over the top in this game, if it was more sporadic I wouldn't have much of an issue as all. Its not whats being said, but the frequency with which it is said. The game won't start growing enough any time soon, and I don't think is necessarily what is being said as most people in this community have thick skin, as much as it is the frequency in which these things are said. As I have stated previously there is a difference between trash talking and toxicity. Trash talking is for the competitive and has its limits to the frequency. Toxicity is overabundant in this game and is just over the top, even if there was lets say a spam prevention system in place to prevent the toxic statements from happening as quickly I'd be happy with that. I am not fully sure if the OP meant what is being said or the frequency in which it is said, but my personal issue is how often.

There is a clear difference in trash talking for sport and overall toxicity. Trash talking is occasional and more controlled by the person doing it, as well as more reasonable. Toxicity is outright tasteless and it negatively impacts the community because it is rampant. if it were minor cases it could be overlooked but its happening all day every day. It needs to be at the very least mitigated.

Perhaps not where the focus should be, but still be considered nonetheless.

Everyone wanted it, no one was saying it. I know I've avoided the forums since I started playing APB back in 2015, and only recently have I created my forum account. I have my reasons for creating it but I believe I waited too long to say something. I have to thank Matt Scott and LO for taking over APB, I am grateful that they wish to make the game better. I just don't want them to keep messing up, which is why I created this thread, to give them constructive feedback at the same time speaking amongst the community so that everyone can put their own tidbits of wants or what they'd like to see. This forum needed a place where toxic-free feedback could be given, and I hope to accomplish that with this thread.

I get it, old players aren't the money cows. But they still matter. Without them this game wouldn't even be making it this far. I refuse to believe any or much good will come out of Riot mode, and the current view on what old players mean to the game. They are just as important as new players. They should be valued as mentors of sorts, to help new players in at the very least. But with the current community's toxicity and neglect, that won't happen.

Shall I refer to you the AAA games that got DDoS'd and forced offline for a few days of their release? Battlefront 2, Battlefield 1, Battlefield 5, the list goes on for many more. If the tests reflect that, then perhaps now is not the time for Riot mode. As you stated, it isn't for the old players, its only for the new. Player Retention will be low, just as it has been, because of poor performance, and an unfinished Riot mode will make it worse. You need to make sure the new game mode appeals to all and can keep them in, in order for that to happen, you'll need to make a gradual learning curve and, heres the kicker, GOOD PERFORMANCE. You keep stating there is no point to be adding people to anything else. Let me point it out to you that the rest of the area of the game needs all the help it can get. That means put more people on these other systems that need help. Riotmode will flop and likely tank APB with it. I don't want that to happen, thats why this thread is a thing.

Its common theme for DDoS attacks to grow in power alongside releases. Out of the feedback I heard from people involving both the first and second testing days for Riot, they played it the first time and then lost interest in it by the second time. Riot mode should be for everyone, if you neglect the people who are still around, it'll have a negative effect, if you neglect new people, it will have a negative effect thats just how it is. It doesn't matter if there are different teams, the Riot team could be spread amongst other projects to help the backline issues. RIOT is still getting released unfinished and on a BROKEN engine. It should wait.

Ever wonder why not many are joining the testing? They've already lost interest. We don't need riot alongside 3.5, we need to make sure when 3.5 is released that the upgrade is polished and done right. My issue with this is that they are trying to stack on something that is being unnecessarily rushed with something they should take their time on. Riot mode could wait for the Engine upgrade to be fully done, there is no reason to have moved it to be done now. The only ones who are forcing them to do that at this point is themselves. Quite frankly, I don't see APB surviving this "Pre-season" Riot mode. There are already people getting fed up with the constant issues that the game is experiencing, they'll only get worse with this "Pre-season".

Why even release the pre-season if its unfinished? Thats setting them up for failure. We don't need new content, if Riot mode comes and the game still runs poorly, its not going to keep anyone. There is no use in expanding upon content in a game that barely runs. I don't want Riot mode, not until the game itself runs better, even pre-season should hold off in my honest opinion.

I agree, I was hoping for more interaction with this thread honestly, I do want to hear what they have to say, legitimately, their ideas behind their choices. Just to help really clear it up for me because I'd like to hear whats going on and I'm not hearing much currently. I typically do one at a time still, but I'm taking Online college for Video Game Art & Design so I have a bit of wiggle room. I have an assigned week for work and then I get to do it at my pace, so.. Taking that approach I believe Little Orbit could do similarly, especially since the performance is having such a huge issue lately.

Battlefield 4. I've ran into nothing but respectful people on there. I'm not asking them to police it themselves, but they could set up a system to detect common toxic words or phrases and have it punish the player with a chat suspension, like what Overwatch does.

Yeah, I acknowledge that, which still makes me further question why they aren't putting more resources to it alone instead of both it and riot mode.

I get it the servers for the most part, wasn't caused by them, but I would have much preferred they'd focus on improving the game overall, both on the back end and forefront instead of trying to spread their resources thin over all aspects that they planned for at the same time.

I don't feel like thats a good idea. Just from a personal standpoint. I believe LO is spreading their resources too thin in that regard if that is the case. They are struggling with the servers as is I doubt they have the manpower to have the upgrade and Riot mode done properly enough to be stable at the same time. Just from what I've observed.

A lot of the things going on are putting off people, some people like having the challenge of veteran players fighting them. I know I did when I started playing, it was the only way for me to learn the game. I've become better because of it, but general toxicity in any game is unattractive and should be appropriately dealt with.