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  3. Posted

    On 1/13/2021 at 2:30 PM, GhosT said:

     

    Buffing everything to the level of the N-TEC would be the exact opposite of making the meta more diverse.

     

    I do agree that the weapon balance was near perfect before LO did all the balance changes.

     

    Shotguns for example were the most balanced class before the LO shotgunning, with maybe the Shredder needing some love, And only a few weapons like the HVR, N-TEC, PMG and some others that needed changes.

    Now roll back a little and undo all the unnecesary nerfs G1 did at one point with the introduction of curve mechanics that ruined many weapons like the NCR or FFA 'BullShark'.

    That's what should've been done in my opinion, and not slightly touching a few weapons here and there. The AR-97 or R-2 for example received a couple tweaks to "buff" them, but their performance didn't change at all.

     

    N-TEC is far from requiring much skill, it's literally just learning the tap fire rythm and you can spam it all day long up to marksman range.

    The OCA received yet another unnecessary buff by G1, that I can agree with. However PMG or JG never received any actual buffs. And you do need other guns because they're solely CQC.

    The HVR is problematic and probably won't ever be properly balanced as long as the Scout exists.

    OBIR bolt timer was well needed for the insane damage output when combined with quickswitching. Though I'd rather adjust its damage values.

    RFP is another prime example that received a buff it never needed and made it ridiculously overpowered, especially the Fang, which could've been called pay to win.

     

    Still gotta say that APB became more enjoyable to play the way it is right now, I'd rather want pre-LO guns with slight adjustments though.

    So I'm only going to nitpick one thing in this, but you're telling me the game is more enjoyable with the current gun balance, but then right away say you want pre-lo gun balance but with slight adjustments. Does that mean the game is more enjoyable in your opinion for others, but not yourself? Not sure what you meant exactly. I'm genuinely curious.

    On 1/13/2021 at 4:07 PM, GhosT said:

     

    I'm definitely not going to start argueing with you, don't worry. It'll get nowhere anyway, considering your questionable view on game health.

    It's always funny when people think "lower skill level" is an argument, just shows how selfish someone thinks.

     

    Either way, you can trust me on this - LO does listen and there's a bunch of community players sharing their thoughts and playtests upcoming changes, coming from all skill levels, even including "yours".

     

    The population numbers go down because there hasn't been a single content update for almost a decade, only a few adjustments and smaller quality-of-life updates here and there like the trading system.

    It has little to nothing to do with rebalancing things, maybe a handful of players who had their overperforming crutches taken away.

     

    If anything, the fact that the game still has a playable playerbase after all this time just shows how big of a potential APB has.

    Yes LO does listen, my issue is whom they listen to. The population issues have to do with a lack of content yes, not necessarily the gun changes. I'll agree there. Kinda hard to pump out content when they're focusing on an engine update. However, to address your last point about the population. It had that potential, I don't think it has it any longer. Though I do think the game could come back, but I don't think it will ever hit the true potential it once had.

     

    Lower skill level is an issue when it comes to game balance though? It has nothing to do with being selfish. I don't want casual players/social warriors to have influence on gunplay. If anyone is going to help balance, it should be people that actually play it on a higher level, who have a better opinion. Not just one person, but multiple. The issue is, how many are left? I no longer play so I don't know who of the better players is still active, forgive me for that. 

    All I'm trying to say is that I don't like gun balancing with casuals in mind. It ain't hearthstone man.

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    5 hours ago, CookiePuss said:

    I think this was in regards to facing new players in general, not so much focusing on the how of it all. 

     

     

     

    Well, correct, it sure seems that way. My point was moreso that most of those scenarios for facing new players like that would involve dethreating, in terms of "farming" specifically. If a new player is thrown into my district and I can tell its a newbie (at least I have in the past), generally I've gone a lot easier on them. I'm not sure I want to get too deep into the whole ordeal, I personally don't like the idea of farming newbies and prefer real competition around my level, I've also been in fights where I felt like the newbie vs the others because of how disorganized/tilted I was in comparison or how blatant the enemy was at cheating lol. 

     

    I don't think "winning" vs newbies is bad, but I also don't think extending matches vs them or intentionally throwing the whole thing is good either. They don't learn from you giving them free handouts, and they don't get enjoyment from a dragged out fight against players they can't beat. Whole thing is a 2 way street on that note, and it's just unfortunate. Also people like to winstreak so asking them to quit the game just for that? Seems dumb. This is in regards to the newbies being in a higher up district, where they fight the better players. 

     

    Tryharding is not beating your enemy simply, or farming newbies though. It's how you do it. 

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  6. Posted

    2 hours ago, Noob_Guardian said:

    Probably because you saw my name on the side and decided to ignore it. 🤣🤣 (though let's be honest, i'm sure i'm popcorn worthy at times)

     

    Didn't mean to turn it into a dethreat thread if I did.... oops?

    Nah, I actually just noticed the thread, and figured it'd be similar to one I've seen before, turns out I was wrong :o. 

    I have my own takes on dethreating and the like, but this technically isn't the place to have that discussion lol. I see you've been having a blast though!

  8. Posted

    1 hour ago, GhosT said:

    I'm aware of what broken means. I think you don't know what "opinions" are, do you?

     

    It certainly wasn't on the same broken level of the Troublemaker or some of G1s other pay to win cashgrabs, but it always stood out over all ARs and other guns.

    I agree that the N-TEC is a highly controversial topic, and there'll always be two halves. One thinks it was fine and would prefer a faster overall TTK in this game by buffing every other gun to its level, and the other half thinks it has to be brought down to the level of all other guns. I'm part of the second half.

     

    The N-TEC is actually one of the guns I spent the most time on so I can properly talk about it, and it's obvious that it was overperforming. In the end it has been nerfed so I wasn't wrong.

    Mind you, I also called out jumpshooting before they nerfed it, or the 5stk FBW, and everyone laughed at me for how dumb I am before they realized months or years later that they were indeed a little to strong, and here we are.

     

     

    Why look, some guy misread something I said and is now desperately trying to use it against me... neat.

    CA isn't overpowered.

    No, you actually stated your opinion, and still are. It's your opinion to believe it was broken. Strong? Yes. Broken? No. I've enjoyed this argument over the past many years on these forums, honestly things got changed because people whined enough for it, not because you were right or wrong. I was for the other ARs being buffed around it, and making more guns viable. I don't want to see just N-TEC, and I also did not main it (Marksman main here, OBIR fav wep but also was pretty stupid).

     

    Also, just because you spent a lot of time on the N-TEC, does not make your word that much more credible to me, or heck, even others. It's highly opinionated, and opinions are not facts. 

     

     

  9. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Uhtdred said:

    true. Ghost even thinks CA is overpowered...

     

     

    on the other side, you just came to defend your friend respectthis, your opinion is also biased.

     

    Pretty sure if respectthis come here and say "osmaw is the best gun in the game" you would agree too.

    Everyone has bias, what? No shit. However, I didn't come here to defend him, but moreso call out Ghost specifically. I've always hated his rage-boner for the N-TEC. 

     

    But yeah sure osmaw is the best gun in the game like you said :).

  10. Posted

    21 minutes ago, GhosT said:

     

    The N-TEC and STAR being the more accessible guns doesn't mean that the N-TEC is now allowed to drastically outperform every other AR.

     

    It was broken, as it could easily keep up with shotguns, smgs, ars and marksman rifles. If you refuse to see that, I'm sorry.

     

    It hasn't been gutted, in fact, it's still one of the best guns and basically the same as before, other than being a tiny bit slower, and that it can't jump shoot that well.

    Don't think you know what "broken" means. Looks like even after many years, you still remain the same. I've been a vet on these forums and I recall you a lot here, always had a hate-boner for the N-TEC. Gun wasn't broken, you're just biased and always have been.

  13. Posted · Edited by Abduct / Devote

    11 minutes ago, EvaPooh said:

    AND OTHERS who share my position that jump scouting was lame.

     

    Now who's misquoting? Lol.

    When did I ever say others didn't share that opinion? Where is the relevance to anything that was just posted there?

     

    You're not even making sense yo. Go read my very first response to you. You claim I was "goading" you on lol. I was just stating a point, very non hostile yet you act as if I've personally attacked you because I called you out for half misjudging his perspective. You are right, he said good, but he also said bad. So address the whole point, not the part that "vindicates" you. I wasn't even talking in relation to most prior of that specific point.
     

  15. Posted

    1 minute ago, EvaPooh said:

    You guys keep claiming I took it personally, but what I'm saying you were "attacking" my position. "Attacking" sounds so silly btw, but that's literally what an argument is. Honestly, I still don't even know what Abduct was trying to goad me into thinking. Just seemed like he was sh!tposting, idk.

     

    Regardless of how you meant it and that you didn't read the full thread before butting into our conversation, what you said directly conflicted to what I was talking to Cookie about, whether you realized it or not. That's on you, dude.

    I haven't been talking here responding, but I was still reading. You're still hung up on me quoting you and saying that you misread what Respect said? Jeez man, this is what I meant by victim card. Everyone's "after" you, trying to "goad" you into things. Phew, that's a yikes from me dawg.

  16. Posted · Edited by Abduct / Devote

    10 hours ago, EvaPooh said:

    I used to solo queue a lot (I have a few max level characters) and premades using scouts obliterated my random teams. Getting tagged as soon as we spawn and them being able to jump around a corner at 60m and do the damage that a scout does with such precision and mobility isn't good for the game. I had my jump scouting phase too, but it was removed for a reason. It was a lot of fun, and I'm glad it's gone.

     I rest my case victim card. "it was a lot of fun.

  17. Posted

    1 minute ago, EvaPooh said:

    My position.

     

    My position is being targeted as anti-fun and bad for the game. Maybe reading comprehension is your problem.

     

    Ignored? Singled out? By saying what, it's good? That's not even what my argument was about - one side is better or worse... Just forget it.

    Ok, I kinda knew what I was getting into when I started responding to posts by you of all people, but yeah you're really delusional. Must be fun living in your own world where you're always a victim. 

     

    Don't bother continuing this conversation, you've proven my point already and your "rebuttal" was saying reading comprehension is MY issue. You're unaware of what that statement means I guess, because the only one who's proven they haven't read this conversation properly was YOU. Goodbye, keep playing victim. You want fun but you cry when things are fun like with the jumpshotting scout. Makes a lot of sense. 

  18. Posted

    31 minutes ago, EvaPooh said:

    Yes, that's exactly what I said. Everyone in the entire world is doing it for a skin. Sigh.

    I was stating that there's actual rewards you can work towards unlike APB so the pain can be worth it if the satisfaction of winning isn't cutting it in ranked. I'm talking about strictly the competitive side of things here. Normals, ARAMs, those are for fun too. Ranked can be fun, but if the game is kind of a mess balance-wise then there needs to be other incentives for trying to win. There's literally no reason to want to be high gold. Just makes the opp harder and more frustrating for the EXACT same amount of 'rewards' that they get when they dethreat. That is why they dethreat, cause the game doesn't feel rewarding enough to work at it.

     

    In the mission districts? Not really. Those require tickets which you only get in a meaningful amount from FC and that caps out really fast.

    I didn't misread or overlook what he wrote. I'm saying it flat out doesn't matter. He's saying it would make an impact. >.>

    No, you didn't:

    I said jump scouting was stupid.

    Cookie said he doesn't expect it to make a return, but still likes to think about it.

    Then you said, "Here on the APB forums we're about anti fun everythng, blah blah blah"

     

    In what universe is that not directed at me? You're both agreeing and I'm the one disagreeing and you're saying my position is anti-fun. I'm not sure if you're being intentionally dense or just think your super snide and sarcastic comment somehow wasn't applying to what I was saying.

     

    It was an entire paragraph dedicated to sniping me and others who hated jump scouting.

    Respect was being sarcastic with that comment to cookie. and If you didn't misread what he said, then you ignored it and singled out on the other part, because it didn't help your argument. 

    You're also feeling targeted, maybe that's a you problem?

  19. Posted

    On 7/30/2020 at 4:38 PM, RespectThis said:

     

     

    Removing threat would get rid of the threat aspect of the game which is good and bad. Good because people wouldn't freak out when they saw gold players. Bad because people actually like having their rank displayed in games to show what they've achieved. Sure its not huge in APB but its still bragging rights to a degree. Adding penalties to districts wouldn't change a thing. People don't care about the reward reduction if they can actually play the game. Also shouldn't penalize people for wanting to play the game?

     

     

    15 minutes ago, EvaPooh said:

     

     

    Ya, you did. You said it would be a good thing for the game and then talked about dethreating. I said it wouldn't do anything.

     

     

    Actually, he said it'd be both good and bad, or a double edged sword. People used to look at being a high level gold as an achievement, way before the current threat system. Now it really doesn't mean much. But since it also doesn't mean much now, it means less and would not truly matter that much to remove it. I'm not an expert on balancing, so I can't say I know what would happen, but at least read the man's message fully. You single in on one thing and ignore the next 2 words after. 

  20. Posted

    6 hours ago, DeadPixels said:

    I always wonder how many more players we would have if dethreaters wouldn't scare them away. The game is dying because of them and it seems like nothing is done on this matter

     

    We would have had lots of people wanting to play more. I don't know the solution, I wish I did. I feel like seperating by rank might help, instead of by threat. I would need a better image of the issue at hand rn tho, that might be outdated. Also I mean highest rank on the acct. I still feel like people would exploit that and purposefully not level...

  21. Posted

    2 hours ago, DeadPixels said:

    There isn't really that many cheaters in the game as most players claim. I agree dethreating is not the way and should be stopped. Yes the only way to get better is to play against better players, but you must understand not every person has a good pc and internet connection. I for one have a decent pc, as far as i can see my fps is around 120 to 144 fps but i get crazy stutters and i die all the time because of them (yes i do have SSD). I pretty much all the time play solo because i am not an active player and all the people i played with don't play anymore. Often get a silver on my team, playing on Citadel server.

    If you're able to play without dethreating and getting performance issues, I see zero reason for others to dethreat even more so due to PC problems. If you're doing bad due to a bad pc, you'll dethreat naturally. The issue isn't that, it's the intentional. It causes griefing to actual new players in the bronze districts. They need a place to learn. 

  22. Posted · Edited by Abduct / Devote

    6 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

    Right now, I dont feel excatly the needing to know about stats, then if I, and same for you as everybody, have some doubts may give a look to the db https://apbdb.com/ or ask here, but certainly not you, you have made like tons of  speechs just arguing all the time,  and all of them have the same worth of the raining on a asphalth road, "apparently or not apparently" without a  sense.

     

    That's because you are just making the pretender and unconsistent crybaby all the time, so yep here the reason of my precedent conclusion:

     It's a waste of time.

     

    Bye

     

    You're talking on a thread to discuss a gun without knowing how to use properly in this situation. Those mods, 3ps3 and mob sling, aren't the same performance wise. I called you out, you didn't like it. You're useless to this discussion if you can't even see that, sorry.

     

    You're the one crying because I'm not letting you get away with it. Do you say bye each time you pretend to win an argument? Btw, you're calling me names, kinda hypocritical. 

     

    Zero substance, zero ability to stay on topic, and zero ability to even insult someone properly. kek

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  23. Posted

    3 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

     

    I have tried it but I suppose trying to make a ( reasonable) discuss with you, it's a waste of time.

    Nah, you just don't know what you're talking about. Still don't apparently. Enjoy never being able to argue properly because you don't even use consistent stats 🙂

  24. Posted

    3 hours ago, PingOVER9000 said:

    "I tried" to use the same mod's load out and the same time, the same main mods.

    HS3 and IR3 are still the same and "should guarantee" the same range of action, without a damage dropp off.

    I decided to change the purple mod for the reason I explained upside (Ntec per faster quickswitching, FAR per better CQC engages)

     

    I didint "just" write long range..

    Btw, In game I self consider from 20/25+m start  medium/ long ranges, more and less the same range where CQC weapons such as OCA, PMG, JG etc loss their effiency than AR weapons & similar such as NTEC, STAR, FAR etc , where they have better accuracy and range.

     

    Try yourself wonder why 😅

    Because you can't refute anything I say, and don't know what you're talking about. That's why. Mob sling/3ps3 both play completely different bud, so no you didn't guarantee anything. You consider 20m medium range, lol. That's like medium range for an OCA, maybe. Not an Ntec, bud. 

  25. Posted · Edited by Abduct / Devote

    15 hours ago, Noob_Guardian said:

     

    If you can prove how calling me bad, casual, and how saying that only competitive skilled players should have a voice, refutes any information and statistics i've given, then maybe you'd have a point. I asked for statistics, and the only person who shared statistics recently aside from me was Flaws, in regards to how the "ntec is the same as the far", of which I refuted showing the obvious differences and also gave him the missing information that he didn't know in regards to the NTEC change. The images only gave a reference point for discussion, they didn't prove anything.

     

    I then suggested the information be used for an actual balance topic in suggestions. Of which is being ignored.

     

    The change happened MONTHS ago, and not a single NTEC Reversion topic has popped up in suggestions?? What? I thought it destroyed the NTEC? If the NTEC mattered that much and the change was that drastic, wouldn't there be.. you know, at least "1" suggestion in suggestions to revert the NTEC AFTER the reversion happened? Why is it the same people who care about the NTEC, seem so intent just to argue and bicker amd haven't done the "1" thing that's asked of anyone with in-game suggestions?

     

    Not only that but the only two people who were providing any discussion was/is Flaws and Respect, not you, who seem solely intent on name calling and complaining.

    Borus, you keep going on about that, to DEFLECT and STRAWMAN. I haven't been calling you that every post have I? This is what I meant about you not reading. You're trying to nitpick anything you can to attempt to have an "argument." This isn't debate anymore, it's your feelings being hurt because the truth hurts. Get over it and stop pretending that is what makes the Ntec "OP." 

     

    Also, I wasn't PLAYING months ago. SOOOO kinda hard to test it myself if I'm not active. I come back to this travesty. Yeah, you can pick up the gun and fire it like any other weapon but I'll use any other weapon over it, because it does not FEEL good anymore. You're hilariously still stuck on the name calling card lol. 

    I have brought discussion, and you ignored it every time. I didn't name call you every time, but you're claiming I am. Borus go read for once in your life. I haven't been name calling you for a long time now, lol. I've been calling you out on stuff, for lying. That's not name calling! But apparently it is to you because you're so blinded by rage at the sight of me going after you.

    Ping, you didn't even use the same things and are trying to make a "fair" comparison lol. Also 20m isn't medium to long range area. That's closer to 45m+. 

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