Seadee 107 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Hello me again. After a brief discussion about the cons of owning a Fresno (protip: there are none) we hit upon the question of "how do cars actually work", no not like in real life or like magnets, but how does the game handle cars stats? i'd like to think that they are some clever intricately entwined set of stats that combine to create the handling, speed, acceleration statistics, set a cars Armour which determines weight, engine power which determins top speed and acceleration, then combine them with the weight to end up with handling and suitably modified speed and acceleration. Logically a big heavy car with a large engine will be slower to accelerate but have a whopping top speed and ramming ability (think of a truck, MAAHOOSIVE ENGINE, slow AS, Kills you if you look at it funny) where as small light cars with a reasonable engine get a bit mental, Vaquero? light, no armour to speak of, high acceleration, low top speed. TL:DR - so my question to LO is, IS there a clever system behind all of this (like how it deals with the mods) or is it just random numbers punched in and fingers have been crossed (sometimes feels that way) with that in mind, Perhaps a visit down the list of cars and a good re-balance is due, Meta has for a long time been restricted to a few choice vehicles, with all the others being a poor choice, especially when the "best" vehicles can be obtained so easily and are really no more expensive than the others. vehicles should all have Pros and Cons (much like weapon mod choices) there should really not be a clear "best choice" in terms of game balance. you can get modern cars that have good handling by usage of clever aerodynamics, but you can also get them (GTR) which have good handling by virtue of the fact that it is heavy, it's fast because its got a whopping big engine, but its ability to stick to the ground and go around corners at speed is due to its weight. i cant think of and big, van like cars, that have a GTR engine in them (apart from that XJ220 mule in a Ford Transit) might be an EU/NA difference, but over here we dont tend to put a V8 in a mini van... Diesel torque to shift the weight... i digress, Lets open the discussion! What do you think of the current state of the Cars in APB and how would you balance them so that every car has its own niche? Edited October 10, 2018 by Seadee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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