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Every few days or so a new posts crops up talking about mods and how things are ran. Obviously people think its an issue. But nothing can be done without talking about it. So, is it really right for mods to keep closing these threads? 

Or is this more of, things are ran how they are ran and we dont talk about it? The first rule of the forums is we dont talk about how things are ran on the apb forums? Is discussion allowed? 


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What do the community guidelines say?

Stop f'ing around with focus groups, and fire the marketing suits and hire some good, competent developers and people with vision. Unfortunately at this point I think it is too late. No one trusts you anymore SOE and their experiences here WILL likely make them think twice about trying other SOE games. I know for myself I will NEVER play another SOE title. Sincerely, someone who loved what once was, -Tiggs


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As far as i can tell its against the rules to re open topics that have been removed or closed. So....this is a new topic. It should be fine. Discussion should be allowed. As far as i can tell there is no reason to close this thread. Yet, they always seem to get closed. 


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i mean if you had anonymous power and people were mommy talking you wouldnt you close those threads 

 

as if you had anything else left to hide


Its funny too because they've never quite replaced me. They just keep recycling my work 8)

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Im not trying to bash the mods. If the mods want to take it that way i guess its there right. But, as far as i can tell, its not against the rules to discuss this. SO a thread would be closed that wasent breaking rules. Which is exactly one of the things that needs to be discussed. 


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The only thing I really have a problem with is threads locked anonymously with no mod post.

 

It's usually standard practice for a mod to explain why they're locking a thread unless it's blatant spam or garbage.


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The only thing I really have a problem with is threads locked anonymously with no mod post.

 

It's usually standard practice for a mod to explain why they're locking a thread unless it's blatant spam or garbage.

Right. Kinda hard to know why a post is gone when it just goes poof. Guess we could message a mod....but what one? Not like they said anything before the close. Then theres no guarantee that they will answer. A thread could have pages of replies and when it just vanishes are we supposed to say nothing? 

Or if they lock it and just say "closing" like......why? Wasent harming anyone and no reason was giving. There needs to be better clearer communication. 


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inb4 closed for violating community guidelines

 

-Do not post any content discussing disciplinary actions taken against a Community Member
  -Discipline received by Reloaded Games staff

 

huehuehue


Edited by CookiePuss, 12 November 2017 - 05:17 PM.

Stop f'ing around with focus groups, and fire the marketing suits and hire some good, competent developers and people with vision. Unfortunately at this point I think it is too late. No one trusts you anymore SOE and their experiences here WILL likely make them think twice about trying other SOE games. I know for myself I will NEVER play another SOE title. Sincerely, someone who loved what once was, -Tiggs


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As far as i can tell its against the rules to re open topics that have been removed or closed. So....this is a new topic. It should be fine. Discussion should be allowed. As far as i can tell there is no reason to close this thread. Yet, they always seem to get closed.

 

No, through wishy washy opinionated interpretations of the rules a topic that has been closed in the past is basically disallowed from any further discussions in the future. Regardless if the situation has changed or not.

 

Through wishy washy opinionated interpretations of the rules, anything "negative" said about actions taken by G1 regardless of how constructive or how well it incites reasonable discussion is not allowed as long as people in power have no reason to change their opinions.

 

Expect this to happen to this thread "Soontm"

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I love how people think this is normal and reasonable conduct.


Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog, 12 November 2017 - 06:50 PM.

I'm actually done with this mess. Just make me a forum mod so we can have SOMEONE with some competence around here.


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So basically, its ran how its ran and we can ether accept it or go kick rocks. Thats a very bad way to run a business. Even Burger King has feed back forms or suggestion boxes. 


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inb4 closed for violating community guidelines

 

-Do not post any content discussing disciplinary actions taken against a Community Member
  -Discipline received by Reloaded Games staff

 

huehuehue

 

Would thought that your first hint would have been enough. :P


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I created a thread on something like this a few days ago and it’s gone. I can’t even ...

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Starting to sound like a police state. Police forum? 


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no point in discussing how the moderators are pretty bad at moderating in the first place


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The type of person who wants to be a forum administrator on a forum like this has to either have a great sense of humour or takes themselves far too seriously.

The threadlock from yesterday was one of the latter, unless it had turned from the relatively jovial banter into nastiness.

Interesting thing is that the link to contact community support links to a ‘do not reply’ email address.... basically, they don’t want t know because they don’t care.

Edited by Vipertechs, 13 November 2017 - 01:59 AM.


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Thread locks are like in game hit reg.  RNG if you hit on target or not.

 

You know what?  Kind of like Fair Fight now that I think about it.



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It's usually standard practice for a mod to explain why they're locking a thread unless it's blatant spam or garbage.


Standard practice on forums that are ran sensibly (you know, those without faceless moderators), but this is a G1 forum, so...

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So basically, its ran how its ran and we can ether accept it or go kick rocks.

Yes.

 

Thats a very bad way to run a business.

In most cases, yes.

 

Even Burger King has feed back forms or suggestion boxes. 

We also have that.

 

Spoiler

 

Honestly, what use does the forum have for the time being? When stuff is happening, like the Nekrova merge or the Halloween event, related threads of varying quality pop up. However when nothing happens (which is most of the time)? What is there to discuss on the forums that hasn't been discussed before?

Suspected cheaters and/or inappropriate in-game behaviour? "Report to Support" and lock.

We would like better anti-cheat? No comments (Or if we're lucky, a snarky "we already answered that" referring to an off the cuff comment in an obscure and long forgotten locked thread without linking to the comment in question).

What's the status in the engine upgrade? "No news".

What's the plan for the future of the game? No comments (Or if we're lucky, a snarky "we already answered that" referring to an off the cuff comment in an obscure and long forgotten locked thread without linking to the comment in question).

What are you working on right now? No comments (Or if we're lucky, a snarky "we already answered that" referring to an off the cuff comment in an obscure and long forgotten locked thread without linking to the comment in question).

When is the next "blogpost"? No comments (Or if we're lucky, a snarky "we already answered that" referring to an off the cuff comment in an obscure and long forgotten locked thread without linking to the comment in question).

 

... I could go on.

 

So because there's nothing to discuss and because it's not possible for Tiggs and/or Mods to provide useful feed-back regarding the things that are of most interest to the community - we are where we are:

 

So basically, its ran how its ran and we can ether accept it or go kick rocks.


Edited by AsgerLund, 13 November 2017 - 02:54 AM.

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So because there's nothing to discuss and because it's not possible for Tiggs and/or Mods to provide useful feed-back regarding the things that are of most interest to the community - we are where we are:

 

So the only outcome of the current situation is to have a dead and inactive forum? Why would people even begin to accept this?

There cant be any leeway or laxed modding until there is proper content to be discussed, when mods are already capable of the opposite?

 

Did beating a dead horse ever come to mind when you thought about the modding being done to the current state of the forums?

 

 

The type of person who wants to be a forum administrator on a forum like this has to either have a great sense of humour or takes themselves far too seriously.

 

Anyone who isnt a mod already is probably the first.

Anyone who is a mod now is probably the latter.

You never get the best of the best on the first go.


Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog, 13 November 2017 - 03:53 AM.

I'm actually done with this mess. Just make me a forum mod so we can have SOMEONE with some competence around here.


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So the only outcome of the current situation is to have a dead and inactive forum? Why would people even begin to accept this?

There cant be any leeway or laxed modding until there is proper content to be discussed, when mods are already capable of the opposite?

 

Did beating a dead horse ever come to mind when you thought about the modding being done to the current state of the forums?

Oh believe me, I would looooove more laxed modding to make the forum more fun and entertaining. I am in no way a proponent of the current state, I'm just stating that "it is what it is" without condoning it.

 

In my mind, it's not so much a question of beating a dead horse. I see the modding as part of a bigger picture of G1/Reloaded Games Inc. shooting their own foot... repeatedly... with an EM3 Shaw within reloading distance of a car spawn.

 

That is however only my subjective opinion as a humble player/outsider. I'm sure that if I had more knowledge of the internal going on's at Reloaded Games (not that I am entitled to that in any way), I would perhaps have a more nuanced point of view.


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no point in discussing how the moderators are pretty bad at moderating in the first place

 

Having 'been there and done that', moderating a forum that's in anyway active is generally a mommy show and there's only a few kinds of person who can do it effectively for an extended period of time. There were never a lot of people suitable for it around here and most of the ones that were have departed.


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Bro, we aint even allowed to talk about the engine upgrade. Most of those posts went poof too



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inb4 closed for violating community guidelines

 

-Do not post any content discussing disciplinary actions taken against a Community Member
  -Discipline received by Reloaded Games staff

 

huehuehue

Why do you suck g1 Diick so hard?

So you think g1 is doing a great job at maintaining this game aswell?


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Why do you suck g1 Diick so hard?

So you think g1 is doing a great job at maintaining this game aswell?

 

I mean, if you are gonna suck it, you might as well do a good job amirite?


Stop f'ing around with focus groups, and fire the marketing suits and hire some good, competent developers and people with vision. Unfortunately at this point I think it is too late. No one trusts you anymore SOE and their experiences here WILL likely make them think twice about trying other SOE games. I know for myself I will NEVER play another SOE title. Sincerely, someone who loved what once was, -Tiggs


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He is just hustlin. Gotta work to get on that whitelist.

 

Well i think CookiePuss is ModSquid88 but he just cant be asked to log onto his official forum mod account


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Na, MadSquid88 is Skay. Skay is actually all the mods, he just rotates accounts.

 

How do you know all this information?

 

Are you a hacker?


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I questioned Skay about it and he said "I am not any of the mods and I don't want to be" which is exactly what a mod would say trying to hide it. Therefore he is obviously a mod.

 

Seems legit.

Its also his birthday today.

Make sure to wish him a happy one.


Edited by CookiePuss, 13 November 2017 - 12:55 PM.

Stop f'ing around with focus groups, and fire the marketing suits and hire some good, competent developers and people with vision. Unfortunately at this point I think it is too late. No one trusts you anymore SOE and their experiences here WILL likely make them think twice about trying other SOE games. I know for myself I will NEVER play another SOE title. Sincerely, someone who loved what once was, -Tiggs


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>People asking for updates on a game no longer being actively developed

 

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As a former moderator, unless they've changed the moderation rules - unless a thread is simply just spam or is blatantly breaking stuff like Name & Shame, they should be obligated to inform you why that thread was locked. Simply so that situations don't pile up where people keep making threads, asking why it was removed.

 

Then again, there was actually a community team then. With an actual community manager. Not someone who kicks down the door and gives half the moderation team the boot because they don't play by the new manager's rules that wasn't specified anywhere with no warning about potentially breaching what she's comfortable with aside from an email stating you've gotten the boot and she's too incapable to remove the moderator tag so that she straight up just bans the forum accounts instead.



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Oh believe me, I would looooove more laxed modding to make the forum more fun and entertaining. I am in no way a proponent of the current state, I'm just stating that "it is what it is" without condoning it.

 

In my mind, it's not so much a question of beating a dead horse. I see the modding as part of a bigger picture of G1/Reloaded Games Inc. shooting their own foot... repeatedly... with an EM3 Shaw within reloading distance of a car spawn.

 

That is however only my subjective opinion as a humble player/outsider. I'm sure that if I had more knowledge of the internal going on's at Reloaded Games (not that I am entitled to that in any way), I would perhaps have a more nuanced point of view.

As much as i like that analogy better, im in the same boat that yes; "this is what it is" but that doesnt mean im going to sit around and accept it.

Granted there is more or less nothing we can do even if we do it their way, its still worth saying something different.

Every shot in the foot by G1 is just another person who will abandon the game because of management.

 

I think we need stricter modding. 

 

We should introduce segregated forum sections, time allotted curfews, a constant watch of all account traffic including private messages, and an authentication wrist band that ties a persons genetic code as an identifier to their account. That should fix everything.

 

Now youre thinking with portals.


I'm actually done with this mess. Just make me a forum mod so we can have SOMEONE with some competence around here.


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As a former moderator, unless they've changed the moderation rules - unless a thread is simply just spam or is blatantly breaking stuff like Name & Shame, they should be obligated to inform you why that thread was locked. Simply so that situations don't pile up where people keep making threads, asking why it was removed.

 

Then again, there was actually a community team then. With an actual community manager. Not someone who kicks down the door and gives half the moderation team the boot because they don't play by the new manager's rules that wasn't specified anywhere with no warning about potentially breaching what she's comfortable with aside from an email stating you've gotten the boot and she's too incapable to remove the moderator tag so that she straight up just bans the forum accounts instead.

As a forum user none of this is explained to us. As far as i can tell they ether random do things, or dont do things. 

I have seen threads get locked with "closing" or "locking" with no explanation. 

I have seen threads get locked with "closing this down its going nowhere" isint that a judgement call? And where does it say in the guidelines its ok to use a judgement call and lock threads that are going nowhere based on that judgement call? 

Ive been engaged in threads that have been perfectly legit and not rule breaking just up and disappear. No reason. No communication. Nothing. 

Its really like they make up the rules as they go along and randomly do or dont do things. They dont follow or uphold the rules consistently or evenly. 

So how are we, the forum users, supposed to follow the rules when the rules seem very arbitrary? Things get closed that dont break the rules, rule breakers dont get punished? Whats the point of any of it? 


Edited by Progeekzy, 13 November 2017 - 02:44 PM.

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Ive been engaged in threads that have been perfectly legit and not rule breaking just up and disappear. No reason. No communication. Nothing. 
 

 

If this thread is any indication, it seems you have no idea what the rules are.


Stop f'ing around with focus groups, and fire the marketing suits and hire some good, competent developers and people with vision. Unfortunately at this point I think it is too late. No one trusts you anymore SOE and their experiences here WILL likely make them think twice about trying other SOE games. I know for myself I will NEVER play another SOE title. Sincerely, someone who loved what once was, -Tiggs


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If this thread is any indication, it seems you have no idea what the rules are.

Says the person with a signature that dosent follow the rules. But i guess you do enough butt snorkeling the mods allow it? 


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Says the person with a signature that dosent follow the rules. But i guess you do enough butt snorkeling the mods allow it? 

i thought the thread was perfectly fine until he came and derailed it.

 

:/



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Signature Rules:
 

  • 500 x 120 pixels at most
  • No animations
  • 3 lines of reasonably additional text allowed

 

Hmm. Seems in line with the rules to me. It is 3 lines, is taking up less space than a 500x120 picture, and is not intrusive text. I think you are just looking for something to whine at him about, especially when you also have three lines of text AND a picture.

[*]Bypassing Moderation/Filters
Any attempt to deliberately circumvent the world filter will lead to actions against your forum account.

Its actually clearly in black and white in the posted guidlines, and word 2 of there signature goes directly against whats posted in black and white. 


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Says the person with a signature that dosent follow the rules. But i guess you do enough butt snorkeling the mods allow it? 

 

Bro just read the guidelines.

Its not that complicated.

 

btw "but snorkeling" made me chortle ;-)


Stop f'ing around with focus groups, and fire the marketing suits and hire some good, competent developers and people with vision. Unfortunately at this point I think it is too late. No one trusts you anymore SOE and their experiences here WILL likely make them think twice about trying other SOE games. I know for myself I will NEVER play another SOE title. Sincerely, someone who loved what once was, -Tiggs


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Well i think CookiePuss is ModSquid88 but he just cant be asked to log onto his official forum mod account

 

Nope!

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i don't get it. 

 

i had a post similar, nearly identical to this post, and it got closed/deleted and i received a warning point for it.

 

how is this post still standing?



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i don't get it.

i had a post similar, nearly identical to this post, and it got closed/deleted and i received a warning point for it.

how is this post still standing?

1. Selective enforcement bro
2. Did ur thread gain much attention? This thread gotten some attention.

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i don't get it.

i had a post similar, nearly identical to this post, and it got closed/deleted and i received a warning point for it.

how is this post still standing?

You have to but snorkel the monkey squids more
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