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A question to the community.

If you had to change the anti-cheat of APB, would you change it to Battleye or keep FairFight as it is?

You're only allowed to pick one, not both.

Edited by Enjia, 21 February 2017 - 02:23 PM.


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i'd change it to skynet, since no goddamn anti-cheat is enough for this community

 

granted tho that the current one isn't perfect, but w/e


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FairFight is Serverside and BattleEye is Clientside.

Therefore those two arent interfering with each other and could run besides each other, like it's the case in Rainbow Six Siege.

It seems like that BattleEye is also one of the best client Side anticheats out there. Since Rainbow Six Siege switched to BattleEye I haven't faced a cheater.


Edited by striker891, 21 February 2017 - 10:41 AM.


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FairFight is Serverside and BattleEye is Clientside.

Therefore those two arent interfering with each other and could run besides each other, like it's the case in Rainbow Six Siege.

It seems like that BattleEye is also one of the best client Side anticheats out there. Since Rainbow Six Siege switched to BattleEye I haven't faced a cheater.

Well let's say that G1 is only allowed to pick one anti-cheat. Either FF or BE, I'm guessing your side is on BE :P



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FairFight is Serverside and BattleEye is Clientside.

 

Great. Use both pls.


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Great. Use both pls.

 

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The thought of cheaters not even getting past the login screen with their hack is a fantastic thought and if FairFight was to be sacrificed, the downside would be cheaters can run rampant in between updates, but then ideally get perm-banned on login when it gets done.


Edited by JiMMY13, 21 February 2017 - 11:20 AM.


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A question to the community.

 

If you had to change the anti-cheat of APB, would you change it to Battleye or keep FairFight as it is?

 

Discuss.

 

You just asked what we would change the anti-cheat to if we HAD to change the anti-cheat, and gave us one option besides the anti-cheat we currently have, so you essentially just asked us a question with one answer. . .

 

. . . So it comes to follow that my answer is BattlEye.


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I don't think gamerfirst have the money to pay for both anti cheat running.

 

Fairfight now probably works like 40% of the time due to cutting the cost, which still not enough to ban even the most blatant cheater out there. 

 

GM's are now manual banning under Fairfight because they know Fairfight alone can't capture all the cheaters. Sadly a few legitimate players are mix into these bans also.


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i'd change it to skynet, since no goddamn anti-cheat is enough for this community

 

granted tho that the current one isn't perfect, but w/e

 

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Battleye best anti-cheat ever created.

Them both together would mean a great deal for the game but I'm not sure if BE is a good investment, since it is most likely not an inexpensive anti-cheat at all...

I always remembered playing Arma and scripters and cheaters would get instant battleye kicked and banned whenever it detected unknown scripts. 

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I lost my faith in FF. BE sounds pretty good and its client sided, like a proper anticheat needs to be.



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It doesn't matter what anti-cheat Reloaded decide on. APB is free-to-play and Reloaded will still be the ones controlling it. This isn't a mock to Reloaded, they simply don't have the resources to fine tune an anti-cheat application.


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-snip-

Isn't FairFight still automatic? They would say something about automatic being deficient and reverting it back to manual.

 

Battleye best anti-cheat ever created.

Them both together would mean a great deal for the game but I'm not sure if BE is a good investment, since it is most likely not an inexpensive anti-cheat at all...

I'm taking a guess that FairFight is cheaper than Battleye, despite that both companies won't give out pricing details to the public.

 

I do agree that BE sounds a lot more effective, judging by the fact that it's being used in games with high population. Also the thing is if you ever get false punished by BE, I believer you would have to take your case up to BE support rather than G1's support.



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Isn't FairFight still automatic? They would say something about automatic being deficient and reverting it back to manual.

 

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With the way it went my theory is that FF didn't run automated for longer than a week. 

Pretty much everything points at that. gl expecting G1 to communicate that out of their own volition.


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With the way it went my theory is that FF didn't run automated for longer than a week. 

Pretty much everything points at that. gl expecting G1 to communicate that out of their own volition.

I mean if it did go manual after a week, there wouldn't be the false Christmas event that occurred.

 

But yeah, we really don't know until G1 tells us.



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I hope G1 will think about BE in APB and let us know about the final decision


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What was it that Innova used? ICE or something, if I remember right... That's what APB needs. But because it seems to be a bit restrictive on what you can have running in the background, some people would bitch that it gets in their way. Mostly closet hackers who claim they use some "music" program that ICE doesn't have white-listed.

 

(Going 100% from memory here. I believe ICE was its name, and that it had a white-list of programs that were allowed to run while APB Innova was running, or it'd kick you. Common programs, such as OBS, were white-listed so that wouldn't be a problem.)

 

Admittedly, I didn't play a lot of Innova, probably around 50 hours or so, but during that time I never ran into a single cheater. I never met anyone (who spoke English) who had ran into a cheater either. Of course, that's just my experience.


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I actually think it was called "Frost" but I could be wrong.

 

The problem with that program is it's actually illegal to use in the United States, from what I've heard. It's extremely invasive when it scans your system, but applying with that, it's probably super effective.



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I actually think it was called "Frost" but I could be wrong.

 

The problem with that program is it's actually illegal to use in the United States, from what I've heard. It's extremely invasive when it scans your system, but applying with that, it's probably super effective.

 

Yup it's called Frost.

 

It's too invasive. It won't even let you run the game with windows in test mode. I couldn't use my old mouse or have my controller setup for other games if I wanted to play APB. It's also just as useless as PB since it's client sided.


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A question to the community.

If you had to change the anti-cheat of APB, would you change it to Battleye or keep FairFight as it is?

You're only allowed to pick one, not both.

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Battleye does a great job in the games I play that have it, so battleye it is.


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Client side programs always have the issue that they are far easier to bypass/trick than a server sided one.

 

BE dealing with false bans is the same way PB dealt with theirs.

 

Having an anti cheat that will catch people eventually as opposed to never is a pretty easy choice.

 

You always have to remember, regardless of the anti cheat there are going to be people who will try to undermine what it does.

 

The more invasive the better but with information security laws the risk is too high for people to use such programs responsibly.

 

As for people who liked Frost, there were still a number of times blatent cheaters would stream on innova. No idea why people still say the game was 100% clean with a PB wannabe.


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Fairfight paired with battleye would be amazing.


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I hope FF will be removed as well as PB was. We need a real anticheat, not a fail system banning everyone instead of real cheaters.

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I hope FF will be removed as well as PB was. We need a real anticheat, not a fail system banning everyone instead of real cheaters.

 

So every ban Above rank 9 is false?


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A bit Off-Topic, but:

 

Eventually, they will silently integrate a new anti-cheat system, just like happened with FairFight, and a big part of those imbeciles will get straight into the pit again, having wasted money and a lot of time they could have invested on actually understanding the game..

 

After all, i guess it's not their fault tho.. Since they are unable to properly use a mouse and a keyboard.


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Didn't a couple cheat services get halted from working for a bit of time not too long ago? So that's proof that Fair Fight isn't only server-sided right ?


or no

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Didn't a couple cheat services get halted from working for a bit of time not too long ago? So that's proof that Fair Fight isn't only server-sided right ?


or no

 

more likely that the interface the cheat used got patched


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Didn't a couple cheat services get halted from working for a bit of time not too long ago? So that's proof that Fair Fight isn't only server-sided right ?


or no

 

The memory addresses get rearranged each patch. I'm not sure if the hardware based speed hack was fixed, but I'm not about to test that even though I should be allowed to on the test servers, since they are for finding bugs and stuff.


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I choose the two working together. But it will not be possible, because g1 seems to have taken a policy of allowing up to a certain "level of hacking" to increase the population.



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It's better to use both. Imagine, the disgrace it would bring to APB if G1 decides to abandon FairFight like they did to Punkbuster

 

Hundreds of thousands threads about "Hey, i was wrongfully banned, pls gooby g1, unban me"

 

 

So yeah, both would be nice. Server and Client side. Not that it couldn't be bypassed by the lowlife scum, but it would be a harder/longer task.

 

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I'd change the anti-cheat to actual GMs that play the game and ban the hackers.


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Battleye for sure would be the way to go, but as far as i remember Tiggs said somewhere that she wasnt impressed of Battleyes features or something like that, so i guess all we can do is to dream about good stuff )) FF is fine, just give it some time xddd



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All the anti-cheats out there, all of them, because APB is cursed, nothing can stop rerolling cheetah's.

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