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So instead of the captains picking the teams, why not have the people in the Fight pool stand on 1 side 2 caps on other,

Then the 1st captain say's ROLL, and the pool rolls, and then Highest roll goes to that Captain.

The next roll can't start until all those in pool have done there roll.

Once you are selected via highest roll you can no longer roll for player side.

This goes until last player in pool has a side

If you want a System that is totally random that would be one way to do it.

Just a thought...

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So instead of the captains picking the teams, why not have the people in the Fight pool stand on 1 side 2 caps on other,

Then the 1st captain say's ROLL, and the pool rolls, and then Highest roll goes to that Captain.

The next roll can't start until all those in pool have done there roll.

Once you are selected via highest roll you can no longer roll for player side.

This goes until last player in pool has a side

If you want a System that is totally random that would be one way to do it.

Just a thought...

The teams will be complained about even if it was totally random and yet perfectly balanced, it's FE.

I'm still saying your issue would be attendance.

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I'm still saying your issue would be attendance.


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Isn't hard to know when teams are stacked to hell just from first glance lol


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Yeah. it's the team I'm on.

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Yeah. it's the team I'm on.


You'd have to drink alot to deal with the team you get tho :troll_face:
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You'd have to drink alot to deal with the team you get tho :troll_face:


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Yeah. it's the team I'm on.

It's k I counter by joining other team :troll_face:

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Good thing I'm a high functioning alcoholic as well.


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lol, it wouldnt be as funny if it werent the truth

haha yeah...

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Ok..let me put this idea out there, one I'm borrowing from Crispy and Groans...On a bi-weekly basis, we host a meet outside LA or somewhere the fps is good. We have veteran players like Groans, Shiu, Dy and Karter act as "refs" and coaches. Other established players like Crispy, Kuki, Ebaloff, Madsideswipe, and Scrubba act as captains. The rest of us go into the pool. Captains pick 6-player teams and we play "pick-up" ball. The coaches use that opportunity to pass on knowledge, give advice, and..well...coach! This will not only educate the less experienced PvP population, but also bring more respect into the PvP community, as we come to know and respect each other. I may be fishing here, but is this workable?


It'd honestly be better if we just had PvP events preferably in S2 which would also reach out to the new, committed players of FE. Whether new or inexperienced players are into PvP or not is irrelevant, there's a lot to learn from the PvP community like min-maxing builds, efficient keybind setups (specifically heals), best buffs to use and so on. As far as respect goes... Some PvPers just have a natural rivalry with another player and will always taunt one another and although this can be done in a more respectful manner it'll always be part of competitive community but I think the major issue regarding respect comes down to lack of dialogue between clans and some clans just have non-stop region trashtalk taunters who should be dealt with by their clan leadership, But it doesn't help that other people jump in amongst trashtalk. I think if two people are trashtalking one another, everyone should just leave them be and not assist/participate in it otherwise it just generates more animosity.

I am rather disappointed that you did not bring forth a Traveler as part of the Veteren coaches... We have Derek Blue and although we have reigned terror throughout PvP and for some time dubbed an unassailable war machine, one cannot forget the benign side of Traveler and how Derek Blue has shepherded elf gamers through the valley in CTF.

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It'd honestly be better if we just had PvP events preferably in S2 which would also reach out to the new, committed players of FE. Whether new or inexperienced players are into PvP or not is irrelevant, there's a lot to learn from the PvP community like min-maxing builds, efficient keybind setups (specifically heals), best buffs to use and so on. As far as respect goes... Some PvPers just have a natural rivalry with another player and will always taunt one another and although this can be done in a more respectful manner it'll always be part of competitive community but I think the major issue regarding respect comes down to lack of dialogue between clans and some clans just have non-stop region trashtalk taunters who should be dealt with by their clan leadership, But it doesn't help that other people jump in amongst trashtalk. I think if two people are trashtalking one another, everyone should just leave them be and not assist/participate in it otherwise it just generates more animosity.

I am rather disappointed that you did not bring forth a Traveler as part of the Veteren coaches... We have Derek Blue and although we have reigned terror throughout PvP and for some time dubbed an unassailable war machine, one cannot forget the benign side of Traveler and how Derek Blue has shepherded elf gamers through the valley in CTF.

To be fair the only real clan with a no mommy talk rule dropped it.

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Clammy, are two people using your account? O.o Or are you changing your ways on trashtalk? Especially those PMs wow lol Angry stuff

Personally I find /region pvp at times too weaksauce lol
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Again, good comments, but I was hoping to avoid the Q_Q and keep it on topic (silly of me, I know...) :smiley_emoticons_zombie01: :smiley_emoticons_zombie01: . I saw some really good ideas about team selection, but the problem of communication still looms. Everyone on a team really should be on comms. Perhaps the captains can admin a vent or TS channel for just this type of thing and invite their team and a "ref" into the channel during battles. Furthermore, the teams will be reorganized after each battle, that way, players can get used to playing with different skill sets and styles of play. How does this sound?

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And Calais makes a good point...yes, everyone has their rivals, people whose personalities just clash and they get along like cats and dogs. There is nothing wrong with that. But yes, we can be more respectful. I am guilty of it, many of us are....and since I started this thread, I have to be one of the people to raise their hand and indict myself. I have to do this better, since it is my desire to promote more and better PvP. Less Q_Q, more pewpew....So..I resolve to get out of region and do my fighting in TC, TW, OP and FH. Someone said I don't always say "gf" at the end of matches....I will do my best to do so from here on out. Regardless of who wins, you should here a "gf" from me...and if I don't, feel free to call me on it. And when the fighting is done for the day, I will send a message in region thanking my opponents for the fights and wishing them the best in the future. It is time we act more respectful towards each other. I can't ask anyone to do something that I myself DON'T do. Gapetta, May, Noir, Reaps and Clammy, thanks for all the great comments and to everyone else who responded with their thoughts and ideas about how to make PvP more active and enjoyable. Hopefully we can get together soon and try to come up with a plan to make all of these ideas a reality.

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Clammy, are two people using your account? O.o Or are you changing your ways on trashtalk? Especially those PMs wow lol Angry stuff

Personally I find /region pvp at times too weaksauce lol


Well, there's a difference between banter and trashtalk. Public chat is for banter, trashtalk is for PM's. It's no surprise by now that I clash with a lot of people, but I've always tried to keep trashtalk to PM's but this isn't the place to be discussing this topic.

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And Calais makes a good point...yes, everyone has their rivals, people whose personalities just clash and they get along like cats and dogs. There is nothing wrong with that. But yes, we can be more respectful. I am guilty of it, many of us are....and since I started this thread, I have to be one of the people to raise their hand and indict myself. I have to do this better, since it is my desire to promote more and better PvP. Less Q_Q, more pewpew....So..I resolve to get out of region and do my fighting in TC, TW, OP and FH. Someone said I don't always say "gf" at the end of matches....I will do my best to do so from here on out. Regardless of who wins, you should here a "gf" from me...and if I don't, feel free to call me on it. And when the fighting is done for the day, I will send a message in region thanking my opponents for the fights and wishing them the best in the future. It is time we act more respectful towards each other. I can't ask anyone to do something that I myself DON'T do. Gapetta, May, Noir, Reaps and Clammy, thanks for all the great comments and to everyone else who responded with their thoughts and ideas about how to make PvP more active and enjoyable. Hopefully we can get together soon and try to come up with a plan to make all of these ideas a reality.

If you were to do teams I'd say best of 3s reason being is so it's a bit more than feeling like they are playing musical chairs. Dunno that's just my thought, because a good team is primarily how well you know your team at the end of the day so although this is neat it can only go so far.


And tbh if anyone is complaining about region bs they are just looking for something to complain about. Region BS is bs as in it has no real meanings, it's the e-peen measuring, the banter area etc. If people want to air their dirty laundry well that's their decision and their clans essentially but at the end of the day shouldn't affect too much cept their own personal drama which would of happened anyways.

As for gf...pfft this is a nonsensical habit that is a borrowed sign of respect that is usually used in a mocking manner or not used consistently. As far as I'm concerned it should be for when good fights actually happen. If people are irked about this they have put too much personal meaning into it.


As for myself I have no issue talking civilly with people I don't like here as long as that's how the conversation is and it isn't a rage convo or wtv. As for the other stuff if anything I see it as overly exagerated.

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As for gf...pfft this is a nonsensical habit that is a borrowed sign of respect that is usually used in a mocking manner or not used consistently. As far as I'm concerned it should be for when good fights actually happen. If people are irked about this they have put too much personal meaning into it.


As for myself I have no issue talking civilly with people I don't like here as long as that's how the conversation is and it isn't a rage convo or wtv. As for the other stuff if anything I see it as overly exagerated.


This, every single time.

If someone did well, I let them know via PM unless it was indeed a good fight.
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As for gf...pfft this is a nonsensical habit that is a borrowed sign of respect that is usually used in a mocking manner or not used consistently.


The inconsistent 'gf' comments often reminds me of a teenage girl constantly blabbing the words 'I love u.' Sometimes they're passionately diluted words and sometimes they're sarcastic remarks for lack of better words. Either way it's never as good as a big old smooch at the end of the day and always leaves the other person wondering what was lost in translation.

A good fight is a good fight. It need not even be said most times since it is a mutual understanding that both parties were challenged throughout and by the end had a fun time. :)
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I really hope something like this can happen.

As for teams, who cares? It isn't supposed to be a major battle, but a community event. The teams can change- after every battle even. One sided for a while? Fine- learning what to do in those situations would be great for me! Then break it up for a while, mentor v pupil in 1 on 1s to really pass on some specific tips. Then in for a big random brawl all v all- whatever - it is for helping and encouraging noobs like me and for bringing a bit of community to the PvP community!

GF? Well, given the multiple cultures it can be difficult to know what to say after a clash. I suspect the UK guys in particular feel obliged to say some sort of "Thanks" but that another culture might feel any comment unless highly warranted to be superfluous or even sarcasm. Difficult.

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GF? Well, given the multiple cultures it can be difficult to know what to say after a clash. I suspect the UK guys in particular feel obliged to say some sort of "Thanks" but that another culture might feel any comment unless highly warranted to be superfluous or even sarcasm. Difficult.


Well to be fair "good fight", at least just saying it after any given match/fight loses it's meaning. I'll stick to PMs, let alone will even ask to make sure if they will continue to have the same numbers or if we have to trim/add players.

I think it's "nice" enough that I refuse to jump someone unless it was recently after being jumped by said group. Even then, I am the first to apologize for any "zerging" (I quote this because zerging in FE can even be 1-2 people sometimes...) done by a team I'm in or even DC's on their side. :P
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I think it's really too late to do something to improve quality of FE PvP. I haven't seen new pistoleer in a long time. Everyone using 2h melee or shotguns with this damn cheating crosshair and pushing 3 buttons. As for good fights - last i had, i think, when we fought against Public Enemy/Dismay. I'm pretty done with FE, and only thing i'm happy about that i had good fights and i'm quitting being in Shadow Dancers clan (shout out to Alisha Kim) with a soul and honor of Crouching Tiger (shout out to my battle brothers) :)

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Return shout, Lole! It was an honor and pleasure being in CT with you, however brief. Thank you for training me and believing. I hope I get to beast with you when Repop comes out!

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I think it's really too late to do something to improve quality of FE PvP. I haven't seen new pistoleer in a long time. Everyone using 2h melee or shotguns with this damn cheating crosshair and pushing 3 buttons. As for good fights - last i had, i think, when we fought against Public Enemy/Dismay. I'm pretty done with FE, and only thing i'm happy about that i had good fights and i'm quitting being in Shadow Dancers clan (shout out to Alisha Kim) with a soul and honor of Crouching Tiger (shout out to my battle brothers) :)


But...but... grump said the current system was good and fun :(
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But...but... grump said the current system was good and fun :(


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Pretty much, then try to make a suggestion and it's a "witch hunt".


What you peeps playing now anyways?
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Pretty much, then try to make a suggestion and it's a "witch hunt".


What you peeps playing now anyways?


I tried Rift with CT, but this top lvl pvp gear grinding and tab target system...meh :) Currently i'm waiting for Wildstar open beta, to give it a look, but for now i'll focus more on my work to make more money to be able to move out from Russia and maybe finally will start taking lessons how to pilot small planes, which i always wanted :)

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I tried Rift with CT, but this top lvl pvp gear grinding and tab target system...meh :) Currently i'm waiting for Wildstar open beta, to give it a look, but for now i'll focus more on my work to make more money to be able to move out from Russia and maybe finally will start taking lessons how to pilot small planes, which i always wanted :)


Cool stuff, Nysek does not like the idea of flying... but still awesome.

I'm waiting on Repopulation while helping players still in FE and logging in if there's a fight. (If I get a PM... at this point I'll log in just to even the numbers out. Makes things interesting :o)
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I'm taking a serious look at RaiderZ right now. If it's any good, I may stay there a while. If not, then I guess it's back to WoW to make my sisters happy. All of this has to be squeezed in between work and school, so my weekday gaming is gonna be brief to non-existant.

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I think it's really too late to do something to improve quality of FE PvP. I haven't seen new pistoleer in a long time. Everyone using 2h melee or shotguns with this damn cheating crosshair and pushing 3 buttons. As for good fights - last i had, i think, when we fought against Public Enemy/Dismay. I'm pretty done with FE, and only thing i'm happy about that i had good fights and i'm quitting being in Shadow Dancers clan (shout out to Alisha Kim) with a soul and honor of Crouching Tiger (shout out to my battle brothers) :)



It's almost as if FE is now a zombie apocalypse and pistoleers are survivors and infected are melee/shotgunners. Glad you survived the zombie apocalypse and made it out alive :Ha Ha Ha:

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It's almost as if FE is now a zombie apocalypse and pistoleers are survivors and infected are melee/shotgunners. Glad you survived the zombie apocalypse and made it out alive :Ha Ha Ha:


Lol, i wouldn't find the better words :) I've learned for a something like year how to be a good pistoleer, but it makes no sense now as far as everyone running in easy mode. I really love FE and it's like addiction to me, but with current combat system it's just looking like arcade tad target MMO to me :(

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It's almost as if FE is now a zombie apocalypse and pistoleers are survivors and infected are melee/shotgunners. Glad you survived the zombie apocalypse and made it out alive :Ha Ha Ha:

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Yeah wildstar looks interesting so waiting to see how that turns out and atm waiting for repop/eso to into longer testing to see how they really are because both of them look like they could be really good.

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Yeah wildstar looks interesting so waiting to see how that turns out and atm waiting for repop/eso to into longer testing to see how they really are because both of them look like they could be really good.


Yeah, i think i have this 3 games in my upcoming list to check out too.

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I think it's really too late to do something to improve quality of FE PvP. I haven't seen new pistoleer in a long time. Everyone using 2h melee or shotguns with this damn cheating crosshair and pushing 3 buttons. As for good fights - last i had, i think, when we fought against Public Enemy/Dismay. I'm pretty done with FE, and only thing i'm happy about that i had good fights and i'm quitting being in Shadow Dancers clan (shout out to Alisha Kim) with a soul and honor of Crouching Tiger (shout out to my battle brothers) :)

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Now you all get it! Took you a while...



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Yeah wildstar looks interesting so waiting to see how that turns out and atm waiting for repop/eso to into longer testing to see how they really are because both of them look like they could be really good.

on the ESO comment i am really looking forward to that "Party Server" kinda deal.. where you are on a server that can host all your friends aswell as random people instead of the HUGE MASSIVE server (that would prob be used for PvP/events) so their is not 500 people standing at the beginning mission giver lol.

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on the ESO comment i am really looking forward to that "Party Server" kinda deal.. where you are on a server that can host all your friends aswell as random people instead of the HUGE MASSIVE server (that would prob be used for PvP/events) so their is not 500 people standing at the beginning mission giver lol.

Hmm I've never been bothered by the people at the launch of a game...if you are somewhat intelligent you can usually complete your stuff and move on to less packed areas in a short time. And meh all depends how that goes...there are about a dozen different variations on splitting pop up on 1 server.

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I still check FE forums every couple of weeks out of habit hoping for some miracle because pre-gore ultra populated FTC fights ( just before + after steam release ) was some of the best fun I have ever had in a mmo, I just wish I had started playing even earlier because many vets have told me how the combat system was much better a year or two before that..

I really hope the repopulation can come close pvp wise but with the whole rpg control mode ( tab target ) usable in pvp alongside free aim makes me very worried.

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I still check FE forums every couple of weeks out of habit hoping for some miracle because pre-gore ultra populated FTC fights ( just before + after steam release ) was some of the best fun I have ever had in a mmo, I just wish I had started playing even earlier because many vets have told me how the combat system was much better a year or two before that..

I really hope the repopulation can come close pvp wise but with the whole rpg control mode ( tab target ) usable in pvp alongside free aim makes me very worried.

I think there will be similiar system like in star trek online - there is rpg tab target mode (wich guarantee hit) and shooter free aim mode (wich cause more damage). Dodging and taking cover is key to survive ground fights.

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I'm still keeping a close eye on Repop. Played in three or so ESO beta weekends and thought it was decent but I'm meh about blowing the cash on it.
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