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13 minutes ago, Cuve said:

And in which way exactly does a macro give you any advantages?

is this a trick question

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8 hours ago, Cuve said:

And in which way exactly does a macro give you any advantages?

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9 hours ago, Cuve said:

And in which way exactly does a macro give you any advantages?

And in which way exactly does a triggerbot give you any advantages? And in which way exactly does a aimbot give you any advantages? And in which way exactly does ESP/wallhack give you any advantages?

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10 hours ago, glaciers said:

is this a trick question

Perhaps

2 hours ago, Hexerin said:

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Eh, can't really get any valuable out of you so I can't even be bothered with you.

1 hour ago, MonkaS said:

And in which way exactly does a triggerbot give you any advantages? And in which way exactly does a aimbot give you any advantages? And in which way exactly does ESP/wallhack give you any advantages?

If you are comparing a Macro to a Triggerbot, to Wallhacks or an Aimbot there must seriously be something wrong with you.
Generally the weapons in APB are easy as hell to click and a Macro won't make the gun shoot any faster so how exactly do you gain an advantage?
At this point timing a Macro properly for each gun requires more work/effort than actually learning the small selection of guns in APB.

Now back to the point where you're trying to compare a Macro to any other cheat such as Wallhacks or an Aimbot.. 
With an Aimbot you don't have to aim = Big advantage
With a Triggerbot, you don't have to click at the right time as it's done for you and will 99% of the time hit = Big advantage
With Wallhacks, you can literally always see your enemy where ever they are = Big advantage
With Macro, you don't have to click yourself, YET you still have to aim which is for the majority of you silvers the biggest issue... = Not such an advantage at all.

The point is.. Using a Macro will NOT make you any better at the game unlike the usage of the cheats named above.
I've already been in contact with LO a while ago about Macro's and got the answer that Macro's are barely seen as cheating and the AC will 99% of the time not even pick up on it.

Go ahead and set up a Macro and see if you're getting any better at the game ūüėȬ†You won't get banned / kicked for using one anyways, what is there to lose? Your dignity?

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1 hour ago, Cuve said:

If you are comparing a Macro to a Triggerbot, to Wallhacks or an Aimbot there must seriously be something wrong with you.

Congrats, with this one statement you have proven that you are someone that can be safely ignored on any topic of game design, balance, and moderation.

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Macro users... Over the time accept that... it is normal in 2021. We are not more in 2013. I dont like it but this is real.  I hope Lo dont waste time to try to stop macro users. Its waste time. better focus on cheaters closet cheaters to make the game for all better expirence. Cheaters are not part of cumunity they are kill the game. In this lo have to wake up it is not to late. 

 

I dont like makros and it is a liddle adventage on some guns.  both pistols,  obeya, carabine  huntress,  oscar,  wisp  (i mean not wisper i mean wisp  :)) that the most populary macro guns.  So many people use macros on this guns. Lo can make the max fire rate lower For better balance. For the .45 pistol and the huntress. Then this 2 guns make very problem when enemy use macro. They kill very fast then. 

 

Other liddle advantage is the macro runs with havey itims. Can make the difference in a mission.

 

 Every day when we play apb its normal this days to see and to fight vs people who use macros and use the liddle adventage. But with all this we can live then this is beatabale. 

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21 minutes ago, EVInezca said:

Macro users... Over the time accept that... it is normal in 2021. We are not more in 2013. I dont like it but this is real.  I hope Lo dont waste time to try to stop macro users. Its waste time. better focus on cheaters closet cheaters to make the game for all better expirence. Cheaters are not part of cumunity they are kill the game. In this lo have to wake up it is not to late. 

 

I dont like makros and it is a liddle adventage on some guns.  both pistols,  obeya, carabine  huntress,  oscar,  wisp  (i mean not wisper i mean wisp  :)) that the most populary macro guns.  So many people use macros on this guns. Lo can make the max fire rate lower For better balance. For the .45 pistol and the huntress. Then this 2 guns make very problem when enemy use macro. They kill very fast then. 

 

Other liddle advantage is the macro runs with havey itims. Can make the difference in a mission.

 

 Every day when we play apb its normal this days to see and to fight vs people who use macros and use the liddle adventage. But with all this we can live then this is beatabale. 

I guess the removal of threat segregation makes the silvers or bronze players lose their mind.  

 

You avoided the one problem matchmaking, instead of blaming yourself being bad at the game you fault it towards the opposition as they are full of cheaters. 

 

just face facts that the player is legit better than you, my guess is you accused every one who has used a semi- automatic weapon for macroing or cheats because you hate and die against these weapon.

 

I guarantee you what ever marksman weapon you use, you have a highly less chance in wining against someone who has mastered a carbine, Oscar or fbw.

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1 hour ago, Deadliest said:

I guess the removal of threat segregation makes the silvers or bronze players lose their mind.  

 

You avoided the one problem matchmaking, instead of blaming yourself being bad at the game you fault it towards the opposition as they are full of cheaters. 

 

just face facts that the player is legit better than you, my guess is you accused every one who has used a semi- automatic weapon for macroing or cheats because you hate and die against these weapon.

 

I guarantee you what ever marksman weapon you use, you have a highly less chance in wining against someone who has mastered a carbine, Oscar or fbw.

Okay and you think the guys who you know will say you when they use macro? =p    no they will not its cooler to say i press by my self.  Every  new gamer mouse can macro.  And the many people in apb have buy mouses special for that. Wake up dreamboy. 

 

 

apb is a hard pvp shooter people use all what they can. See  advaned launcher. Macros. Shadders.  The people use all this to become advantage.  You are real funny. You must new i  apb

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6 hours ago, Cuve said:

At this point timing a Macro properly for each gun requires more work/effort than actually learning the small selection of guns in APB.

what?

 

it takes like 10-20 minutes per gun to achieve a macro that eliminates recoil at the optimal rof, muscle memory doesnt develop that fast, especially across the 25+ individual weapons

 

and then it never has to be thought about again, which probably also helps with aiming since it frees up some of the limited brain cells a dedicated macro user has

 

i think people vastly overestimate the amount of macroers (just like they do cheaters) but saying a macro gives a smaller advantage so who cares is a super dumb take

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On 9/7/2021 at 2:21 AM, Acornie said:

imagine that

omg imagine!¬†ūüėŹ

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8 hours ago, EVInezca said:

Okay and you think the guys who you know will say you when they use macro? =p    no they will not its cooler to say i press by my self.  Every  new gamer mouse can macro.  And the many people in apb have buy mouses special for that. Wake up dreamboy. 

let me get this straight so you claim that many who uses a gaming mice is for the sole purpose of having a macro feature that's a pretty bold statement dude. Let me ask you a question are you using a gaming nice too?

 

You need to wake up and face the truth LO made some changes there is no threat segregation anymore that means there will be a problem of matchmaking, you are already in a disadvantage against any kind of gold threat players and your welcome to post your displeasure on the forums.  

 

You exaggerating about macros is an excused of hiding the fact you are terrible in the game, someone like you who's still a beginner at what 1000 hours+ ?do not know what it takes to use a fbw or a carbine, oscar, these guns are popular and common among the skilled gold veterans as they have mobility and can outgun weapons that require marksman that's why it's a threat towards you or newbies. You can't track them, your 60hz monitor slide show, high input lag wouldn't give you a chance to outgun a veteran who mastered the carbine, fbw, oscar properly will min-ttk you without any effort. 

 

hell if I've encounter someone that was using a macro which is rarely, but they ain't no problem for me because the guy would max out their fire rate and wouldn't even land a hit on me and I've seen it happen multiple times. if someone accused me of macro that's what I would reply back 'I click my mouse' because obviously you do not know how these semi-automatic weapons work these guns have a rhythm and just because you have try it and can't somewhat max the fire rate without jamming, doesn't mean I can't. Lets just say you have try using a carbine/fbw/oscar and say that 'I can't fire that fast like you' which is pretty common response I get when it comes to macro accusation.

 

These are the requirements to be good with an fbw or carbine etc:

  • good hand-eye coordination
  • Have a decent gaming mice +¬†mouse sensitivity you are comfortable with that allows you to aim at your best (practice muscle memory or aim trainer)
  • good computer + max frames (144hz+ monitor required)
  • knowing the rhythm of the fbw/carbine/oscar¬†and able to click without panicking while¬†tracking your opponent and maintaining a controlled¬†fire-rate¬†(required practice and muscle memory aka motor skills)¬†

Here we are in the year 2021, yet there's still who believe that many uses macro in order to achieve a high fire rate on these guns. this video is from 2012 tutorial pretty much explains everything I suggest you watch it, hell I'm sure you are sitting there and thinking hey this is information I could had used long time ago when I'm trying to figure out how to use a fbw or a carbine. 

 

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apb is a hard pvp shooter people use all what they can. See  advaned launcher. Macros. Shadders.  The people use all this to become advantage.  You are real funny. You must new i  apb

nothing is funnier to me than somebody's misfortune.

 

These advantages such as advance launcher, shaders does not give any kind of automatic aid to assist them if it's to boost their performance I don't care everyone has the right to optimised their game for better performance is it an advantage? You do know everyone plays on a different config no one has a similar computer, gaming mice, monitor, keyboard or in game settings, mouse sensitivity etc. is it unfair or an advantage? if i have a better monitor than yours? or a better gaming mice?

 

But hey if you feel APB is a hard shooter I don't blame ya, when you play you have to go through the trouble of a terrible matchmaking because LO decided to remove the threat segregation, due to you being a max rank silver, not only you need to worry about going up against the actual cheaters probably a few left I guess, but than you have to worry about the gold players with their semi automatic weapons :P. Either way cheater or not it makes no difference you will lose the game either way, just let the high skilled veterans deal with the closet cheaters / blatant cheaters because they are there to be a real nuisance towards these players.

 

there's some alternative ways you can play APB like you may enjoy role playing as a police officer, yea that's what you should do arrest people, recruit people in social district, you might find that fun. 

 

But in all seriousness if you don't enjoy the game anymore you can take a break or quit and find a better game.

 

I apologies if I derailed this threat, but here's my my input on the topic of cheaters, I'm going to assume there maybe 2-4 active cheaters on Jericho with some private cheats, they actively play for a month and later they are gone. 

 

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3 hours ago, Deadliest said:

let me get this straight so you claim that many who uses a gaming mice is for the sole purpose of having a macro feature that's a pretty bold statement dude. Let me ask you a question are you using a gaming nice too?

 

You need to wake up and face the truth LO made some changes there is no threat segregation anymore that means there will be a problem of matchmaking, you are already in a disadvantage against any kind of gold threat players and your welcome to post your displeasure on the forums.  

 

You exaggerating about macros is an excused of hiding the fact you are terrible in the game, someone like you who's still a beginner at what 1000 hours+ ?do not know what it takes to use a fbw or a carbine, oscar, these guns are popular and common among the skilled gold veterans as they have mobility and can outgun weapons that require marksman that's why it's a threat towards you or newbies. You can't track them, your 60hz monitor slide show, high input lag wouldn't give you a chance to outgun a veteran who mastered the carbine, fbw, oscar properly will min-ttk you without any effort. 

 

hell if I've encounter someone that was using a macro which is rarely, but they ain't no problem for me because the guy would max out their fire rate and wouldn't even land a hit on me and I've seen it happen multiple times. if someone accused me of macro that's what I would reply back 'I click my mouse' because obviously you do not know how these semi-automatic weapons work these guns have a rhythm and just because you have try it and can't somewhat max the fire rate without jamming, doesn't mean I can't. Lets just say you have try using a carbine/fbw/oscar and say that 'I can't fire that fast like you' which is pretty common response I get when it comes to macro accusation.

 

These are the requirements to be good with an fbw or carbine etc:

  • good hand-eye coordination
  • Have a decent gaming mice +¬†mouse sensitivity you are comfortable with that allows you to aim at your best (practice muscle memory or aim trainer)
  • good computer + max frames (144hz+ monitor required)
  • knowing the rhythm of the fbw/carbine/oscar¬†and able to click without panicking while¬†tracking your opponent and maintaining a controlled¬†fire-rate¬†(required practice and muscle memory aka motor skills)¬†

Here we are in the year 2021, yet there's still who believe that many uses macro in order to achieve a high fire rate on these guns. this video is from 2012 tutorial pretty much explains everything I suggest you watch it, hell I'm sure you are sitting there and thinking hey this is information I could had used long time ago when I'm trying to figure out how to use a fbw or a carbine. 

 

nothing is funnier to me than somebody's misfortune.

 

These advantages such as advance launcher, shaders does not give any kind of automatic aid to assist them if it's to boost their performance I don't care everyone has the right to optimised their game for better performance is it an advantage? You do know everyone plays on a different config no one has a similar computer, gaming mice, monitor, keyboard or in game settings, mouse sensitivity etc. is it unfair or an advantage? if i have a better monitor than yours? or a better gaming mice?

 

But hey if you feel APB is a hard shooter I don't blame ya, when you play you have to go through the trouble of a terrible matchmaking because LO decided to remove the threat segregation, due to you being a max rank silver, not only you need to worry about going up against the actual cheaters probably a few left I guess, but than you have to worry about the gold players with their semi automatic weapons :P. Either way cheater or not it makes no difference you will lose the game either way, just let the high skilled veterans deal with the closet cheaters / blatant cheaters because they are there to be a real nuisance towards these players.

 

there's some alternative ways you can play APB like you may enjoy role playing as a police officer, yea that's what you should do arrest people, recruit people in social district, you might find that fun. 

 

But in all seriousness if you don't enjoy the game anymore you can take a break or quit and find a better game.

 

I apologies if I derailed this threat, but here's my my input on the topic of cheaters, I'm going to assume there maybe 2-4 active cheaters on Jericho with some private cheats, they actively play for a month and later they are gone. 

 

Loooong not more read so many sh... in one post.  

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7 hours ago, EVInezca said:

Loooong not more read so many sh... in one post.  

whether you read it or not, at least I prove my point, you are very ignorant and unwillingness to learn or accept the fact you are wrong, when someone in the community actually come and helps, explains to you, you blatantly ignore.   

 

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10 hours ago, Deadliest said:

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The mouse cam literally doesn't even line up with his gunfire. You aren't helping your case by using such shady evidence to "support" it.

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10 hours ago, Hexerin said:

The mouse cam literally doesn't even line up with his gunfire. You aren't helping your case by using such shady evidence to "support" it.

lol why does that even matter? that's not even the point of the video, maybe he recorded it separately and put into the video? or maybe there's a slight input delay from camera to screen.  Why do you point out things that are pointless? this video was like 2012, at this point no is going to care and make another video demonstrating how to use a carbine in 2021, when it's already been shown possible.  

 

hey by all means if you don't believe me, that the carbine can be click manually without a macro while maintain high rate of fire, I'm not going any further because it's your lost not mine.

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14 hours ago, Deadliest said:

 

  • good computer + max frames (144hz+ monitor required)

 

i get over 120 frames on modern warfare maxed out and i cant manage to stay a stable 80-90 on this game.

having a 144hz monitor is definitely not a requirement to "be good" but its obvious when people use scroll wheel or macros, you can hear it in the firerate.

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80 to 90 sounds like shit off a shovel I probably get about ten, I know it doesn't look as smooth as games that run at 16 on my playstartion

 

Merged.

 

Sometimes my car drives itself into a wall

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16 hours ago, JasonFireson said:

i get over 120 frames on modern warfare maxed out and i cant manage to stay a stable 80-90 on this game.

having a 144hz monitor is definitely not a requirement to "be good" but its obvious when people use scroll wheel or macros, you can hear it in the firerate.

Yes in a Game where you get 1 Headshot and you are dead Ok there i can understand. You need  144hz but in apb ? com on xDDD

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4 hours ago, EVInezca said:

Yes in a Game where you get 1 Headshot and you are dead Ok there i can understand. You need  144hz but in apb ? com on xDDD

THATS WHAT IM SAYING MAN!! i've been playing apb since 2014 and have only upgraded once. but even before upgrading my build i was still high silver low gold. I'm mid-gold now that i have more experience blah blah blah I'm rambling. This guy is saying you need pro computer to run game over 100 fps. I have mid-high grade pc and it still runs like shit.

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5 hours ago, EVInezca said:

Yes in a Game where you get 1 Headshot and you are dead Ok there i can understand. You need  144hz but in apb ? com on xDDD

I understand that APB is not some competitive e sport shooter game, and if your fine playing on 60hz monitor casually, I don't care, you play how you wanted to play, its your disadvantage against players who do run the game at a higher frame rate with 144hz monitors. Are you going to laugh at them for having a 144hz monitor when you don't? 

 

APB is already poorly optimised, and having a 60hz monitors makes the game experience even worst, for example don't complain when you use a PMG and couldn't even outgun an Oscar with it because of your terrible high input lag 60hz monitor + trying to aim with an office mice, and than whats your excused? oh they must cheating.,since your so ignorant to tell the difference between playing from a 60hz to a 144hz monitor it does make a big difference.

 

144hz monitor in this day of age is so common now, since its cheap and it does improve your experience on apb, even though the game runs like crap if you are able to get somewhere near cap frames with configs you should be able to achieve the best performance for APB.

 

46 minutes ago, JasonFireson said:

THATS WHAT IM SAYING MAN!! i've been playing apb since 2014 and have only upgraded once. but even before upgrading my build i was still high silver low gold. I'm mid-gold now that i have more experience blah blah blah I'm rambling. This guy is saying you need pro computer to run game over 100 fps. I have mid-high grade pc and it still runs like shit.

well you can blame it on the poorly optimised game, because you can't play at your best due to the game being sh*t. thats a good reason is it? 

 

imo 144fps is still bad, but that's the best possible frame rate you can achieved on APB. 

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2 minutes ago, Deadliest said:

I understand that APB is not some competitive e sport shooter game, and if your fine playing on 60hz monitor casually, I don't care, its your disadvantage against players who do run the game at a higher frame rate + having 144hz monitor. APB is already poorly optimised, and having a 60hz monitors makes the game experience even worst, for example don't complain when you use a PMG and couldn't even outgun an Oscar with it because of your terrible high input lag 60hz monitor + trying to aim with an office mice, and than whats your excused? oh they must cheating.,since your so ignorant to tell the difference between playing from a 60hz to a 144hz monitor it does make a big difference.

 

144hz monitor in this day of age is so common now, since its cheap and it does improve your experience on apb, even though the game runs like crap if you are able to get somewhere near cap frames with configs you should be able to achieve the best performance for APB.

 

well you can blame it on the poorly optimised game, because you can't play at your best due to the game being sh*t. thats a good reason is it? 

 

imo 144fps is still bad, but that's the best possible frame rate you can achieved on APB. 

honestly for this game i dont believe 144 is necessary to even be the best. it's not like modern warfare where seeing the first frame of the foot of an enemy rounding a corner makes a difference. a lot of times people are predictable. especially after you play it for so long. it happens so many times where you can fake people out and pop up from a different angle and kill them from behind. but with the way this game plays anything over 60 fps is good enough. it's not nearly as fast paced as actual esports games such as CS:GO and Overwatch, not to mention other non-esports titles.

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2 hours ago, JasonFireson said:

honestly for this game i dont believe 144 is necessary to even be the best. it's not like modern warfare where seeing the first frame of the foot of an enemy rounding a corner makes a difference. a lot of times people are predictable. especially after you play it for so long. it happens so many times where you can fake people out and pop up from a different angle and kill them from behind. but with the way this game plays anything over 60 fps is good enough. it's not nearly as fast paced as actual esports games such as CS:GO and Overwatch, not to mention other non-esports titles.

 

What I'm saying is having a 144hz monitor is to help give you the best response time and a lower input lag, this has nothing to do with game awareness that's a different story. There will be moments you have to fight in a one on one between your enemy in CQB, you won't be able to track efficiently and responsively with a 60hz monitor + you will experience mouse lag and terrible slide show frames. If you never played on a higher refresh rate monitor than you wouldn't understand the feeling from it, these gaming peripherals are not gimmicks and they do make a huge difference in shooter games.

 

if you wanted to avoid enemies, bait your teams and flank them behind and not get yourself in those situation and it works, w/e makes you play better. 

 

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On 10/13/2021 at 3:10 PM, Deadliest said:

lol why does that even matter?

Because the entire literal point of the video is showing proof that he doesn't macro by showing his mouse cam while firing ingame. If the two don't line up, it completely nullifies any credibility on that point, while also substantially increasing the legitimacy of any accusations. If you can't understand something that basic and simple, then you completely incapable of holding a legitimate discussion on serious topics like this.

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7 hours ago, JasonFireson said:

THATS WHAT IM SAYING MAN!! 

Ahhhh ok good

 

Me same my pc good. I have 60 hz for me is good i play much strategy games and mobas. And there i perfer high grafic with good¬†fps and this my 60hz do very nice. In apb i cant at moment grafics high waiting for engine update. And only for apb buy a 160 hz or so. Never. That he become same good like my 60hz i need pay 900‚ā¨ or so and this me to much. And in apb no real need. Self¬†when you have some fps more the ping¬† to server¬† anyway much times bad. Is will not help much. And its for sure not need to be good on apb.¬†When apb server give me good conection that is more important. And most important in apb is anyway¬† your own skill, how smart you are, your expirence, map¬†awarness and teamplay. And most important¬† the fun. When you have no¬† fun you cant play long to be better.

 

And to deadlist i can only say i not more play the game as super tryhard i play for fun. I must not beat every cheater or macro user to have fun in the game lol.

 

But that many use macros and it give adventage this is for me 100% sure. Its for me  noobish who use it special when i see someone runlike with havy itims like a rocket. Haha then i think me my part.  but i have no problem more with this.  Its basic today in apb.  And this is beatabale same when someone have good hz nooo problem. But cheat is problem. 

 

 

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On 10/15/2021 at 8:06 AM, Hexerin said:

Because the entire literal point of the video is showing proof that he doesn't macro by showing his mouse cam while firing ingame. If the two don't line up, it completely nullifies any credibility on that point, while also substantially increasing the legitimacy of any accusations. If you can't understand something that basic and simple, then you completely incapable of holding a legitimate discussion on serious topics like this.

Dude, even if the camera slightly doesn't sync with the game screen, You can see the cam delay would still match up with the clicks and mouse moment on the video.

 

holy sh*t your making it like it's impossible to click with a carbine legitimately, you are finding ways to disprove this video that shooting a carbine on a high fire-rate consistently is not legit? discredit because there's an issue with webcam delay in between gameplay video, pretty sure that was a common issue for webcams.

 

Stop trying to fish out excuses, this debate has gone on for 10 years now, and if you don't believe it, I'm not going to bother, do as you please post your displeasure on the forums.

 

This is the reason why the community is split apart from the good and the bad, because it's always the bad players who complain and arrogantly post, when some do help and post good information that can benefit the player they just avoid and ignore and make pointless excuses, why should I help? This is why most golds players have this selfish attitude 'why bother to help them when they don't even listen or help themselves' if someone wanted to learn how a veteran player plays a carbine, they would listen to them and while you just blatantly make excuses it's not legit you need a macro and avoid the truth.

 

If you think its all macro, why don't you try using a macro on a carbine because semi-automatic weapons are not for everyone if you can't play with them you don't have to. What matter is I can carbine, oscar, fbw, 45, track properly legitimately without the need of a macro and remain a high consistent fire rate because it's all muscle memory and you can accuse players like me macro all you want.

 

Btw I can easily min-ttk any silver/bronze player with these weapons on Australian 200 ms ping, so you are just a snack to us, blame the poor matchmaking.

 

Merged.

 

On 10/15/2021 at 9:06 AM, EVInezca said:

Ahhhh ok good

 

Me same my pc good. I have 60 hz for me is good i play much strategy games and mobas. And there i perfer high grafic with good¬†fps and this my 60hz do very nice. In apb i cant at moment grafics high waiting for engine update. And only for apb buy a 160 hz or so. Never. That he become same good like my 60hz i need pay 900‚ā¨ or so and this me to much. And in apb no real need. Self¬†when you have some fps more the ping¬† to server¬† anyway much times bad. Is will not help much. And its for sure not need to be good on apb.¬†When apb server give me good conection that is more important. And most important in apb is anyway¬† your own skill, how smart you are, your expirence, map¬†awarness and teamplay. And most important¬† the fun. When you have no¬† fun you cant play long to be better.

 

And to deadlist i can only say i not more play the game as super tryhard i play for fun. I must not beat every cheater or macro user to have fun in the game lol.

 

But that many use macros and it give adventage this is for me 100% sure. Its for me  noobish who use it special when i see someone runlike with havy itims like a rocket. Haha then i think me my part.  but i have no problem more with this.  Its basic today in apb.  And this is beatabale same when someone have good hz nooo problem. But cheat is problem. 

 

 

 

playing casually is fine, you play at your own pace as long as you have fun that's all it matters, I don't care how you play the game, I understand there is a cheating closet problem, but you need to understand you are already in a disadvantage so whether you go against cheaters, macros, non macro or legit golds, it doesn't matter you are going to lose and you can blame that on the unfair matchmaking.

 

Even if they had the best anti cheat, and there's no cheaters, you are still in a disadvantage ūüėõ, so it's not all cheaters when you die to a player that you cannot kill.¬†

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