Anti-Cheat Discussion

[Anti-Cheat Discussion]

Been a while so I came back to check the state of the game. Was happy to see that there was a server with 30/30 players. Last time I checked last summer the best you could hope for was 10 or 12 on at least 1 side.

 

As far as the cheating, nothing has changed or be fixed because  most of the cheats are botters.  Played 8 games before having to go to work and the first 6 were the normal lite botters  fast carrying heavy Objs and kangaroo jump firing.   The last 2 matches were against the heavy cheaters that were walling, using bobfirebots, rapidhandswapfirebots, superthrowgernades and something that let a player snipe me at 99m with his sawed off shotgun. I was using a HVR and he killed me with his shotty before I could get a second round off (and I shot first).

 

The only thing that will combat the cheating epidemic is for GMs to actually be in game observing and warning / banning the cheaters. 

Now I say that because last time I played there was a GM in the game. I messaged him/her and asked them to watch the player. I pointed out that the guy was running with a safe faster than the team chasing him down in cars. The cheat would drop the safe, jump and spin in the air and kill all of out team in LOS. the grab the safe and run using a runjumpcarryitembot. The GM did say that he/she saw the player doing it but that I was the problem because I was being toxic by pointing it out to the GM.  

 

which is the reason I quit for  six months and why I can not get anyone to try or come back to the game.  It does not matter how good the new engine looks, until LO actually deals with the cheats the game will not get more than a slight bump. Until players see the cheats still thriving and remember why they quit playing APB. 

[APB now got stagnant population - and this is source of all APB problems]

On 10/21/2020 at 7:44 AM, CookiePuss said:

ok, bud

Have you played?  At least in the last 4 years?

Jumped on an hour ago and  it was 6-6.   First match the guy was  grabbing the item and runjumpcarrybot it the 140  foot to his base. He did not need a car because he was also triggerbotting, walling and superthrowgernadebotting. 

 

second match, same guy plus his teammate was Kangaroojumpfirebotting while spinning with a medusa. The were not trying to do the OBJ as they were farming us.

 

third match 2 new guys, one was a regular player (no unnatural awareness, real fire rate and missed) the other was takin us out as we rounded corners with grenades thrown at 85 f and  using his pistol. he was using a submachine but in 1 sec used a fastwepcaseswapbot to switch to a rocket and we  could no longer get with 80 feet of them no matter what direction we cam from.

 

my team mate quit, I looked at the  /pop and it had dropped to 2-5 as the cheats again ran off players from the  dist.  After I sighed I also quit and came here.

 

[Please before it is to late can we have the Dom mods.]

OH I forget, those that do  not use it or like it do not call it Dom, it is the Donton Montane.

 

And it is one of the best cars in the game, once you get into the slotted Doms

[What defines a "tryhard"?]

1. ok from reading all of the post, most believe that a tryhard is some one that is actually trying to play the game?  has no one player any other shooter?   

all shooters are supposed the be full out  attack/defend.   Can you imagine someone not trying to play, or playing casually in COD,BF, CS, ring or any other shooter?  If you are not wanting to play then don't log on, or go play something that does not affect other member of your team. There are lot of solo games out there.

 

2. Read the mission statements, they all say something like "keep the item away" "Protect the vip" Hold the item" etc...  (go play any other game that has items/vips to escort.)

This does not say or mean "fight over the object in the middle of the street like a moron"  This has always meant, take the item and keep it safe/from the enemy. So running with an object has always been the way you are meant to play.  That why you can lean out of vehicles and car surf.  Running with an object/vip to at least a spot you could defend  was how the game was designed from the beginning.  

 

It was not until cheats figured out that they could farm that you started seeing the players ignore the mission instructions, the result was that, not running started to happen.

[APB now got stagnant population - and this is source of all APB problems]

On 10/16/2020 at 9:53 AM, CookiePuss said:

Why would that be better than perma banning?

 

We struggle to populate one bronze and one silver district on Jericho, and sometimes only one of them. 

You want to split that population into 3 groups instead of 2?

 

 

Because 90% of the cheaters are not aware they are cheating. They have been cheating for so long that they actually believe the cheats are the way its supposed to play.

 

If you look at bronze there are 2-5 gold players at any time. the rest are silver  with just a few new/reroll players. 

I just jumped in a few min ago to a silver server.  7-5 all golds.  2 matches and every one  left because they realized they could not dethreat.   This is the 7 time in 7 days  that  then silver  and gold servers are empty, because all of the silver are in bronze which is supposed to be a starter server. 

 

there are not 2 servers, unless you are talking about the 2 bronze servers that currently have the playing pop in it.

[Struggle with trigger bots]

On 8/12/2020 at 1:48 AM, OdomizavK said:

Remove the change in the color of the sight when pointing at the target in the game. That's it, the fight against triggerbots is over, is it so difficult? And the players will get used to innovations, believe me, it's worth it if the choice is at stake between fair play and such a small thing...

 

what is you definition of a trigger bot?

I am not sure how lack an on target retcon would help with/against  a player using a macro to pull the trigger faster than should be possible.  

[District threats needs to be removed.]

Or bring back the actual color threat servers.  it went, If you are gold you can only log into the gold server. silver you can log into silver or gold. bronze could only log into the bronze or silver servers.

 

Actually Ban dethreaters, 2 hours the first time, and the problem is solved.  Player  will play where their skills match, threat fixed.

[Please before it is to late can we have the Dom mods.]

I have waited 10 years for the dom mods. They are in game, you see them on the rentable cars and in the cars  a few lucky people won back in the day of joker boxes.

 

I have had the same 3 slot dom for 9 years, she need the body parts that are in game.

 

Or restore the contacts that gave them. why have the old vehicle contacts not been reactivated? Ok sure it is a way to make money by forcing the players to buy the kits.

While I will not spend another penny until the cheat epidemic is handled, I will make an exception for the Dom kits, put it on the store and I will buy it.

 

Now, I do not mean just once, I have multiple accounts and although I have unlocked a lot of vehicles, almost all my avatars drive doms. 

 

Unlock or put the dom mods on the store and you get money, its a win win situation.  

 

 

[We need a mod for crims restored.]

On 9/18/2020 at 1:39 PM, Zolerox said:

Another person that doesn't realise how hard it actually is to pull off a stun/arrest, Which isnt even considering 9/10 times there's someone camping the stun when you go to arrest A shotgun can kill 8 people if they are all tagged even slightly (jg/strife) Most of the stun weapons you use are focused entirely on stunning 1 person Even the  "STUN OPGL" has a weakness Flack Jacket JG still 2 shots someone with kevlar 3. 

 

in short, no i don't agree there needs to be a faction specific mod to make crims better.

Oh I do understand how hard it is for a normal, single ENF to stun and arrest a crim.  I have 6 maxed accounts with 14 maxed Enfs that have maxed or to the OPGL unlocked.  I am not talking about a normal player that would be the only LTL in the group.  The problem is the groups of LTL rerolls that are moving in packs. These players  are sub R80 which means they are not leveling anything but LTL and are pledged to the same maxed contact so they do not lvl. 

The also never miss and use triggerbots and handswapfirebots. The result is there is no active counter. Well there is a deactivated coded counter.

 

 

ah Cryul,  no LTL is not, and never was,  the balance for what you speak, witnessing is. 

[APB now got stagnant population - and this is source of all APB problems]

On 10/4/2020 at 10:19 PM, NotZombieBiscuit said:

Yet another thread blaming problems that aren't the real reason. Yes APB has problems that affect population, but that was more of a factor in the earlier years. These later years the population drop is almost purely because the game is just so old now,

It is not the age of the game.

3 says ago,  there were 2 playing servers a bronze and a gold.   I went on the gold and player for almost an hour then a guy logged on.  He would kangaroojump in the air spinning around handswapfire killing everyone.  Yes he was TKing also. People began to DC because of the cheater.  within 30 min the pop dropped to 1-1. I asked the guy, why he was cheating. His answer "Who cares if I cheat in a dead game..."  

That is why no new player will join and to pop has dropped to less than 100 players, because LO refuses to deal with the Cheater epidemic. The new engine will not help fix what has been killing APB for years.

 

2 says ago I logged in, there was 1 bronze server with 15-13 players. I could not join because I am gold.

1 day ago I logged in, there was 1 bronze server with  6-8 players. again  I could not play because I am gold.

 

I have not logged in today, but if the trend  continues, well when players can not play because they are not allowed in a district, the the game is dead.

yes, I joined an empty silver district and in 2 hours I sat in there only 3 players showed up. all were wanting to detreat as the were also locked out. All left because there was no way for them to do it with only 2 people on the server.

 

Yes fight club has players, but that place is bot central and playing there does not lower threat.

 

APB could  become undead if:

1. ban all the cheaters for just 2 hours, sure the pop would drop 80% but the ones that actually love apb would stop cheating.  (if they have been banned they know the next time they would loose everything)

2. Bring back the B/S/G only servers. If you are silver you play on the silver server (or gold). If you are gold you play only on the gold server.  It worked last time, keep in mind that detreating is banned so APB would not have the problem with players trying to go to lower districts. 

 

[We need a mod for crims restored.]

RTW ran the game for the first few years, G1st did not buy it until later.  Actually let me look it up,   My  memories get foggy not just because  that was 20 years ago but I was talking to an old RTWCB  about how something worked and he reminded me that the fight between us  happens during the open beta. 

 

But if it was called  energizer then that need to be put back into the game.   LTL squads have always been ugly but lately it seem that every third squad the entire team has O-PGLs 

[Genuine question to avid players with atleast 2-3k hours and gold threat]

1 hour ago, CookiePuss said:

Everything you just said was wrong. 

Everything. 

Sorry, normally I'd have just downvoted you.

what part of "simplified" did you  not get?

 

the post below yours goes into a lot more detail but it is basically the same. 

 

A simplified example of how a car works is "you press on the gas pedal and it goes, you press on the brakes and it stops.   100% of people  will get this.

 

The actual explanation involves describing the  engine,  fuel flash points, the ignition system, the starter, (power train) the hydrophilic, brake pads on rotors, presser transfers of the gasses, etc....  you will loose 90% of the people you are trying to explain too.   

 

I take it you have never taught.  You give the basics first then go into the detail once you have established a frame of reference.

 

Before any one can understand anything they have to have a frame of reference.   My statement, though very basic and does not take into account a lot of the details in the equation, is right and establishes a frame of reference. 

[Anti-Cheat Discussion]

1 hour ago, 404 said:

this is the dumbest, most vague determination of cheating ive ever seen

 

by this definition literally everything is bannable because any player input can be recreated with a macro

I did not make the rule a GM did, and no there is a difference between a player pressing buttons and bot , Timing. 

A bot will have the exact time between presses, a human will naturally vary the timing, because they are also doing other actions such as moving, dodging, looking around.  

[Genuine question to avid players with atleast 2-3k hours and gold threat]

The gold treat is not necessary real.   Roll a character. Go to bronze and win(or group with a good team) 5 games in a row. You are now gold. 

 

Simplified example: The gold, silver, bronze, are based on your %win/loss.  If you win 6 games out of 10 you are gold. Loose 6 out 10 and you are silver, however  win 3 in  a row and you are back to gold.  The issue is that when you have won 1000 games and lost 990 games you can be gold but loosing 1 game will throw you down to silver and visa versa. 

 

Now add that the players you win against are also calculated into the equation.  Win against lower level players and you can drop from gold to silver.   Loose to high R players and you can go from silver to gold. 

 

Thus all that gold, silver, bronze means is what server you are restricted too.  

 

The funnest thing is that the dethreaters do not get that they would loose ranks faster by actually fighting lower ranked players than by throwing games. 

[We need a mod for crims restored.]

The is a mod that  is not available that need to be added. I do not remember the name but the mod is for criminals and what it does is prevent the player from being stunned.

 

There is a real problem with the enforcers having a group of 4 players all welding stun grenades, O-PGL (stun) and ltl weapons.   The issue is that have an AOE stun that has no balance or counter.  

 

So the Enfs spam the area stunning everyone from a distance the run in and arrest everyone without a counter.

 

from  2010 to 2015 the crims would give up a mod slot to prevent being stunned.  Again they were giving up a mod spot, which was already a disadvantage, in order to be able to counter LTL weapons.

 

This needs to be restored so that the Enfs need to actually use a strategic plan that is not, Lets jut spam the area with LTL gernades.

[Anti-Cheat Discussion]

On 9/13/2020 at 1:51 PM, Motorola said:

"Superthrowgernade" still works but its pointless as the nades radius is worse than perc nades. G1 implemented a counter to this type of hack, once the game sees the nade flying farther than 55m it will reduce the blast radius of said nade making it completely avoidable and therefore useless just like 8 balls and bricks.

 

"funjumpfiregrabitemcarry" they nerfed the algorhytim of this bot when used with heavy items although i am still able to use this hack with medium items and the method is still undetectible  as its a biological exploit. along with "Bobfirebot", its undetected as well.

 

There is one very undetected hack and its the "RightHandLeanWithNtecAccuracy" bot, this one has been working since 2011 and they still have not been able to detect players who are using this. but im affraid that the special spct unit will formulate a strategy to nullify the effects of this type of bot soon.

 

As for "Kangaroorun" and "KangarooJumpfire" g1 has seen that this hacks was too impossible to combat so they added the ATAC and also Ephineferims consumable so that one who isnt abusing this hack can have a makeshift way to reproduce the results and be able to defend themselves from this type of hack attack.

One thing, these are bit hacks, They are bots.  People  seem not to understand that while all are supposed to be banned as they are cheats the player is not hacking.

 

Banned acts listed in EULA

hacks: modifying the game files: Most used on is in walling.

bots: The use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro

exploits: This is defined as doing something that gives an advantage by using or bypassing the game system.  The main examples are ghosting   an grouping with a cheater. 

Griefing: This is similar to ghosting  excerpt the greifer is not doing it to help ether side.  for example, when you see players in a dump truck, and not  on a mission and are grey, and they are pinning you during an opposed mission that is griefing. Originally RTW was going to make it  so that if a player in a dump truck  hit a player (in a mission) 4 times they would go 5 star and be target able. 

Racial, sexual or cultural items/voip: Using any image or text/voip that is offensive or demeaning is banned.  

Glitching items:  This is not seen as much anymore because a lot of the areas are fixed and walled(or clipped)  of but there are still some places where you can place an object above normal reach or if placed in  vehicles that are blown up, the item will drop inside the clipped area and  can not be retrieved. 

 

the problem is that 90% of the player base thinks that only hacks are banned and that the only banned cheats are hacks.

 

Merged.

 

On 9/13/2020 at 2:57 PM, rooq said:

This is not possible to do by macro. That's the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard. Have you ever actually played this game?

would you like to see a video if this?

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Physics are calculated server side. That is not possible to do.

while the physics are done in server it is based on the input  from the client.    Google APB undetectable hacks (they are calling bots hacks) and  let the examples  they author provides  as well as his explanations of how it is achieved explain what can be done client side.

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These are extremely easy to pull of manually. You learn this week 1 of picking up APB. Have you ever played shooters before?

I think a macro would be a hindrance if anything.

Yes you can pick it up day one actually, but remember that botting = the use of a macro/any thing that mimics a macro is banned.  So id you repeat a pattern say bobfire manually you are in  fact emulating a macro = ban. The games rules, not mine. (its in the eula)

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You come off as somebody who is very bad at the game, but at the same time you're trying to lecture people with thousands of hours.

Your lacking knowledge of how the game actually functions speaks volumes. Most of your posts are complete nonsense to the point where I think you are deliberately playing stupid in order to troll people. If not, then this whole reply is just... Sad.

Funny you say that as normally I am the best player in the match, if not I am typically in the top 4.  Not for kills, but because I do the OBJs.

 

As far as shooters, My first shooter was Doom 2d/wolfinstine 3d. I bought them both at the same time, ID had a special.  Actually I have an ongoing argument with MMORPG players that claim they  want PVP. Mine is that if they actually want PVP they should play APB/BF/COD or even apex.

 

I invite you to watch/join me in APB then judge.  Actually in game I do have a challenge that after 5 games if you have a higher score that me as an ally or won 3 out of the 5 games as an enemy I promise to never say a word again.  Of course that also means no cheats of any type.  The invitation is open.

[Anti-Cheat Discussion]

I am dedicated to APB, I was sad when we were all dancing in social when the plug was pulled and ecstatic when it was brought back to life. I have also been around long enough to see what allowing cheating has done to it as well as other games.  Yes I am biased in that I be leave that anyone that cheats in a online multiplayer game should be banned from all online multiplayer games. 

[APB Reloaded is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE for a year because of non-existant AutoIt Battleye detection]

Keep in mind that the use of bot (macros or anything that mimics a macro) is banned so the use of anything from a macro mouse to a gamepad (with macros activated) 

[Anti-Cheat Discussion]

50 minutes ago, CookiePuss said:

I more or less agree with this.

 

I don't even know what any of those are, can you explain?

lets start with basics, back in RTWCB because of the limited text cap on reports we started running the words describing the cheat together, thus:

 

fastwephandswapfirebot = The player uses a macro (bot) to fire the weapon then swaps hands and fires the weapon the swaps back to other hand and fires (repeat sequence).

 

Bobfirebot = The player again using a macro fires a weapon then crouches (bob as in a fishing lure) and fires the weapon then stands and fires (repeat). there is an alternate bot that only when the player stands.

 

funjumpfiregrabitemcarry= The player's macro grabs the item runs then fires (interrupted dropping the item) the jumps and grabs the item (repeat) this is how the player can carry even a heavy item at a non weighted pace usually faster that players that are not botting can run.

 

Superthrowgernade= The player uses a macro to throw their grenade farther than an actual grenade launcher can.

 

Kangaroorun= This macro allows players to replace their running speed with a jumping speed 2x faster.  This is seen all the time, when  you see the players bounding down the road almost as fast as a car, they are using a bot not a hack.

 

Kangaroojumpfire= The player uses a macro to jump 2 times the normal jump height  and fires the weapon.  When carrying an item this allows the player to place the item on top of an area that would be too high to jump to without the bot.

 

there are more than 30 of these, so ,I will stop here. Read the tag and break it down into a sentence and you will under stand the meaning.

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That's not a thing. Period.

Walling is very much a thing. It can be easy spotted when the  one walling is the VIP. keep in mind that as a VIP they are on screen all the time, you see their location. Now when you are behind one or more buildings and you move right and the VIP moves right so then you move left and the VIP moves left (you are in  cover of a wall(s). then as you come around a corner you are met with a grenade or fire you can tell the player is walling. 

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Please use the in game report function. There are now several different categories for your reports. Everything you need is there.

I use it all the time, have for years.  It needs to have a tab added to the cheat tab. Add one of the 5 cheat types you are reporting as again 4 of the cheat types will never be flagged by any software.

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This is a bold faced lie. That never happened and has never been the case. The only time G1 gave data was at the launch of Fairfight and even then, even when the only anti-cheat we had was PunkBuster, cheaters only made up a single digit percentage of overall players.

I do not have access  to the (old) forum posts, However in that post the GM also stated that "if a player was grouping with a cheater the were exploiting as they were gaining an advantage from the cheater

and would be banned for exploiting".  If you have the ability search for that sentence and you will find the GMs cheat estimation. 

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Please don't spread these lies and misinformation. It is because of players like you that other players think cheating is a much bigger problem than it actually is.

I have not lied or misinformed on anything, perhaps you believe I have because you have not been around long enough to have seen the old GM posts on cheating. I have kept up with all of the posts on cheating since 2009.

 

Also in the same discussion the GM stated that "a bot was macro or anything that mimiced a macro" also should be searchable for if you have access to the old forum posts

[The most toxic behaviour you have seen in apb?]

to me, cheating in an online game is as toxic as it gets.

followed by TK/dthreaters and afkers.  

 

Please do not have ready if you are going AFK!

[Anti-Cheat Discussion]

"While I want to say that those numbers are indeed impressive I also want to mention that APB has rarely ever had an issue with blatant cheating (Shaw copters) outside of a hand full of time periods such as when a certain cheat went public and for everyone to download. "

 

This statement is completely wrong. 

Several of the cheat types can  not (or are not) detected by any anti cheat and yet they happen in 9 out of every 10 Matches

 

Exploiters such as ghosts.  Just yesterday out of 20 matches I played 4 had grey player helping the enemy by blocking our objectives and ramming our vehicles.  No anti cheat will ever see this, only having actual GMs in game that a player can call and witness will see this.

 

Botters, Not just the triggerbots or the Bobfirebots or the fasthandswapfirebots or even the fastcasewepswapbots you will see 70% of the time, the worst are the graprunjumpfiregrabcarryitembots.  The fact that this was a problem back in RTW closed beta, that still not been fixed is wrong. I do know it was on the list to be fixed by RTW, but as the company was dying it was put on the back burner. This is an easy fix, but RTW did not do it because they had digger issues like the jumpfire with the hvrs that was being debated.

 

Exploiters will never be seen by a normal anti cheat program as the worst are the ones that group with other cheaters , usually clan mates, exploiting their cheaters' cheats. This has not changed in 11 years, the main excuse is that nit is hard to prove that they are actually grouped and not just being randomly partied. 

 

Hacks such as shaders and graphic card setting that allow walling.  This is the least of all the cheats but easy to spot, especially if the waller is the VIP.

 

Glitchers still exist, in 5 of the 20 matches yesterday 2 players managed to get the OBJ item on top of a roof that was closed off 5 years ago.  ! player was not successful as he was not hitting the right spot to get the item behind the wall. 2 others (2 different missions) destroyed the store front that needed to be disarmed / set off bomb thus glitching the mission making it impossible to complete.

 

All of these things require that a GM witness them to verify the cheat.

 

The real problem is that most of the players believe that only hacks are banned so they have no problem using any of the other cheat types.

 

added:

5 years ago one GM stated on the forums that from what they could tell, 90% of the population was cheating in some form. Because if the players did not /report the cheaters on their own team they were in fact exploiting.

 

[LO if you have not tried to fix the cheater epidemic, why do you believe the new engine will bring back players?]

On 7/11/2020 at 5:38 PM, NotZombieBiscuit said:

You run the same speed as an item juggler.

V spam switching is very easy and is done to BM you.

How do they know they are grouped with a cheater.

Can never know if someone really is cheating 100%

You can jump and grab the item yourself.

 

the item juggler is botting,  Read the Dev post on it:   "a bot is the use of a macro or anything that mimics a macro"

so no you can not jump and grab the item and not be cheating, that is the point.  How do you know if you are grouped with a cheater
?  If you see your team mate as you say item juggle the you  know they are cheating. Cheaters are very easy to spot, just look at them and watch what they are doing.  Also and this is the part that everyone overlooks, until they are banned for it, 

 

If you see an item juggler  on your team and do not report them  or quit the mission then you are cheating. Read the rules under exploiting "using a cheaters cheats to give your self advantage is exploiting"

So to answer your question, if you see the item juggler and  the rest of the team accepts it then every one you are looking at on your team is cheating (period).

[Permament banned after playing on brand new 2000€ laptop]

first off, as so many cheaters forget, hacking is just one of the ways to get banned,  Cheating in any for will and should get you banned.  The problem is that the cheating epidemic is not being handled.  For every cheater banned 10 continue un banned. 

 

But to be fair did you do any of these things:

jumprungrabcarryitem.bot:  Grab an item and run shoot grab carry jump etc  with it? This is an example of using macros which is banned

wallling: Have your video super low, or modified, so the shaders are off and you can see through everything.   This is actually hacking because you have modified your files

Helped your clan while not in the mission by blocking, hitting, ramming etc... This is exploiting the grey status

you said you were in sovereign so,,, were you grouped with a cheater and did not report them or quit the mission.  This is also exploiting, you are using the cheaters cheats to your advantage.

Do you have any graphics or sounds that are offensive or racist?  is also banned

Were you taking advantage of a bug or glitching an item? also banned

 

I have found that every one that has been banned was breaking the rules, they may have not been hacking but keep in mind that Just being in a cheat clan playing with them is ban able under the exploiting rules. If your clanmates are cheating and you allow them then all of you can be banned.

 

[LO if you have not tried to fix the cheater epidemic, why do you believe the new engine will bring back players?]

14 hours ago, FakeBungo said:

ur bad

The funny thing is that this is what every cheater has said at some point.  What does being better than some one have to do with a cheater cheating?

 

Every cheater, banned or not yet banned, has said this. This is because they do not know or believe they are cheating. 

 

You see a player sit fire squat fire sit fire squat fire (rinse and repeat), does a supposed skill make a difference? They will tell you "ur bad"  which does not change the fact that they are cheating.

I have had cheaters even claim their bot's skill as their own.

 

You see a player grab a safe and fire,jump,grab,run,fire,jump,grab,run,(rinse and repeat) so that they are carrying the obj faster than you can chase them. They will also say "ur bad" because you were not able to stop them running down the road with the heavy item. Are they a better player? No they are cheating.

 

You are fighting a VIP and you see him ,with his teammates beside him, reacting to your movements thought several buildings. The snap on you and kill you the second you round a corner. Are they better players? No they are cheating.

 

You are chasing the enemy and get side swiped by a Grey they gray continues to hit you or block the objectives with their vehicle, is it because they are better players? No, it is because cheating.

 

I could go on but the point is that every cheater I have ever seen has always said "too ezy, ur bad, uninstall,etc...)  Unlike some one posted above, i don't  think that most cheaters are doing it to annoy players. I think they have gotten so use to cheating that they do not realize they are cheating even though the list of banable acts is listed in the eula.

 

15. Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, loopholes, design errors or problems in the game. Player acknowledges and agrees to report all problems, errors or bugs in the game to APB Reloaded as soon as they are found as their continued use can damage the enjoyment of the game for all its players. Those users caught cheating may suffer suspension from the APB Reloaded game, or manipulation of their character to remedy the game abuse. Please be considerate at all times of other members playing APB Reloaded. APB Reloaded will use diligent efforts to fix these types of issues in a timely manner, and will give all customers the benefit of the doubt when dealing with these problems.

16. Use any scripting or macroing tools, hardware or software. (bot)

17. Use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools.

 

Remember that the GM's posted that not just  macros but anything that mimics a macro is a bot.

 

Next time you play actually watch the players on both sides. do they:

 

run with an item? (bot)

swap their weapon from hand to hand firing with each swap? (bot)

Are grouped with a cheater? (exploit)

Tracking the enemy through walls, always firing at the enemy as they come around a corner. (hack)

Kangaroo jump and place an item on top of an area you can not reach? (bot/glitch)

Team kill or even just weaken you by shooting you while you have OP? (exploit)

 

 

[LO if you have not tried to fix the cheater epidemic, why do you believe the new engine will bring back players?]

I came back for the Beta test, which I had no trouble with as I created a character in the beta instead of trying to import one. So I jumped into APB after and since have tried 3 more times  and in every match there was a minimum of 1 cheat with as high as the entire enemy team being from one of the old un-banned cheat clans.

 

In every match some one was walling or bottling. You would see the enemy grab the heavy item and run/jump carry the item faster than you chase them and have them track you through buildings.  Then they would  bobfire bot or fasthandswap bot so fast that it turned their single shot weapons into automatics.

 

The point is, players left because of the massive cheaters, not because of the graphics in the game. 

 

Making the game look better will never bring people back into a cheat riddled game ask combat arms, they tried to do the same thing you are. That game died because they tried everything except getting rid of the cheaters.

 

And here is the funny part, ALL LO has to do is  add a broadcast to the game  "Notice: Players  all of the cheat types can be banned, which includes Bots, Exploits, hate speech or imagery, not just hacks when reported" 

 

That alone would stop half of the cheaters because right now most of the cheaters beleave that only hackers are banned.  A broadcast every half hour will be enough because when you ask any of the cheats they will respond with "I am not hacking"   The problem is that it is true, the guy wearing the Nazi shirt driving the nazi mobile calling everyone in dist ******ews using bots like there is a clearance sale is not hacking.