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On the other hand enforcers should be punnished in some way if failed to confiscate the loot.

 

How about going to prestige 0 when you fail to confiscate the loot?

This way it would be a loss of time for the enforcer.


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How about going to prestige 0 when you fail to confiscate the loot?

This way it would be a loss of time for the enforcer.

Maybe, but it's still not equal to the amount of time criminal would wasted if caught.

If failed, I'd suggest withdrawing an equal amount of cash from the enforcer's account. That's pretty much the only short term punishment the game has to offer.

Degradation by one level would make more sense, though, but it would be too rough.

 

Imagine the situation: criminal spends hours hustling stuff, but gets witnessed by an enforcer (who is irl supposed to report to the office they initiate persecution of a suspect) who was just driving around, and tries to get the loot from crims just for lulz.

If the loot gets confiscated, it's understandable the criminal gets mad. If not, the enfocer can just get away saying "whatever".


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Yeah, its not against the rules. Its like slavery... it wasn't a bad thing until it was illegal.  :Ha Ha Ha:



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Hi everyone, I would like to get peoples opinions about crims looting on empty servers. I have lately become a little obsessed with witness farming crims doing the behaviour even for $100. The highset haul I had was form a N5 afk crim that had $20k+ lol.

They seem to have a sense of entitlement to this 'free' money and that I am the one doing something wrong. I personally want to burn all of them as hard as I can these days, and take the I AM THE LAW approach, but what does the community think of this crim behaviour?

It's not free money. People spend weeks doing this repetive and boring mommy. You login and basically steal what is theirs because you're just jelly and lazy small dicked fuzzy bunny.


Edited by HomoSuperior, 13 March 2017 - 07:41 AM.


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Always have a back up when commiting regular criminal activities, that is something people should learn. Their buds don't have to be close, wondering the map is fine, but should help in need.
On the other hand enforcers should be punnished in some way if failed to confiscate the loot.

Um, unless your friend is on top of you that is no help. Witness missions average less than 1 minute when I've played them and it is whoever gets the first kill goes straight to the drop and wins in my experience. Unless your friend is close to either you or their drop they are of no help. In fact I think they lose their money as well, but I'm not sure. The best thing to do is actually have a friend on enf and drop your money to them regularly, then have them drop it back at the end. That is pretty boring for your friend though.

 

Edit: Also if the enf does it correctly they get the element of surprise and positional advantage. I would be much, much more okay with witnessing if it was a multi-stage mission or something where you had some chance of winning if you got killed right off the bat, but the way it is currently is terrible.


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OP sounds like a ddiicckkhheeaadd..
Its no wonder you get burned... you get out what you put in i guess...

But I don't get burnt lol i kill moron crims like you and earn good cash lol learn2read, Be cool stay in school.

It's not free money. People spend weeks doing this repetive and boring mommy. You login and basically steal what is theirs because you're just jelly and lazy small dicked fuzzy bunny.


But why not just do missions, you get money and you get to keep your money or just launder more often? What's with all the tears for losing boring money?

Edited by JudgeAnderson, 13 March 2017 - 02:24 PM.


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But I don't get burnt lol i kill moron crims like you and earn good cash lol learn2read, Be cool stay in school.


But why not just do missions, you get money and you get to keep your money or just launder more often? What's with all the tears for losing boring money?

Then why does it bother you so much that someone, somewhere is doing "boring money"? Go do missions or go grief crates in hydra



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Yeah, its not against the rules. Its like slavery... it wasn't a bad thing until it was illegal.  :Ha Ha Ha:

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Uhhh... not even going to start with that one.

 

 

EDIT: Love all the salty crims in this thread, carry on. :D


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Then why does it bother you so much that someone, somewhere is doing "boring money"? Go do missions or go grief crates in hydra


Because the hunt, the chase, i like kicking over sand castles, i love seeing the crim mouse jerk when you leap on them,and getting 20k in 1 minute is just too damn profitable. Oh and the whisper qq is just so addictive. And oh oh I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO STOP MYSELF!!

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Because the hunt, the chase, i like kicking over sand castles, i love seeing the crim mouse jerk when you leap on them,and getting 20k in 1 minute is just too damn profitable. Oh and the whisper qq is just so addictive. And oh oh I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO STOP MYSELF!!

lol seek specialistic help that sounds clinical



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Always have a back up when commiting regular criminal activities, that is something people should learn. Their buds don't have to be close, wondering the map is fine, but should help in need.
On the other hand enforcers should be punnished in some way if failed to confiscate the loot.

 

lol punish enforcer for failing something they can barely ever do? Really?



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lol punish enforcer for failing something they can barely ever do? Really?

how often it happens is absolutely irrelevant to balance - just b/c you didnt die to an hvr qs every mission doesnt mean that particular action should've stayed as is

 

i think its a great idea to punish enfs for losing, especially since they have such an overwhelming advantage in witness missions


 
                                                                          
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how often it happens is absolutely irrelevant to balance - just b/c you didnt die to an hvr qs every mission doesnt mean that particular action should've stayed as is

i think its a great idea to punish enfs for losing, especially since they have such an overwhelming advantage in witness missions

Over whelming advantage? If they find the crim before they launder and log after checking map, if the crim hasn't laundered money often, if they arnt hiding in a little hole mugging peopLe. There are a lot of ifs. So no I don't think there is an over whelming advantage over all and there fore no enforcer don't need to be punished lol what ever you had in mind anyway Hahahaha.

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Over whelming advantage? If they find the crim before they launder and log after checking map, if the crim hasn't laundered money often, if they arnt hiding in a little hole mugging peopLe. There are a lot of ifs. So no I don't think there is an over whelming advantage over all and there fore no enforcer don't need to be punished lol what ever you had in mind anyway Hahahaha.

none of that is part of the witness mission tho?

 

the overwhelming advantage is the ability to start the mission whenever and wherever they want once the crim is in sight, its the mission equivalent of shooting someone with an hvr


 
                                                                          
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none of that is part of the witness mission tho?

the overwhelming advantage is the ability to start the mission whenever and wherever they want once the crim is in sight, its the mission equivalent of shooting someone with an hvr

Not when ever where ever. Where the crim is and only if he is picking up/robbing someone. If they do any of my below quote they can AVOID the down sides of the witness mission all together.

Over whelming advantage? If they find the crim before they launder and log after checking map, if the crim hasn't laundered money often, if they arnt hiding in a little hole mugging peopLe. There are a lot of ifs. So no I don't think there is an over whelming advantage over all and there fore no enforcer don't need to be punished lol what ever you had in mind anyway Hahahaha.

So no I really don't agree.

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Not when ever where ever. Where the crim is and only if he is picking up/robbing someone. If they do any of my below quote they can AVOID the down sides of the witness mission all together.

So no I really don't agree.

All crims are witnessable at all times with over 2500 iirc, if you're delivering often enough to stay under that you aren't getting enough money to make ramraiding worth it
 
                                                                          
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I remember trolling enforcers, gathering a lot of money and waiting in a 4 man squad to witness me and then just trolling the poor enforcer.


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All crims are witnessable at all times with over 2500 iirc, if you're delivering often enough to stay under that you aren't getting enough money to make ramraiding worth it


Its not black and white. If they launder more often it's less profit, but profit all the same. Wheather it's worth it or not would appear subjective.

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I've farmed millions in empty districts stay N5 while I do this. I can't remember losing a lot because I keep a constant eye on the districts population and when I see anyone else enter I immediately dump my hual.

I have seen people do this as well but not keep an eye on the population so I easily took them out while they were N5 and gotten an upwards of 500k. They died, I got free money and they could do nothing to get it back because I picked it up when they died and not as part of a witness mission.

So it can work both ways when exploiting a system.

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Best way to work this system, I've found:

If you're a criminal, have common sense. Don't loot/mug in high-traffic areas, I.E., in front of Jindo Computing in WF, and in Fin., nowhere near any building that says "SPPD" or "Praetorian". It's where enfs spawn in, first thing. Your best bet is to find a backstreet with hardly any player traffic, and watch your bounty level, as well as your stash. Use a personal vehicle, perhaps one disguised as a common vehicle (i mean, do you think i REALLY believe your Blue Steel Security van as an enforcer running patrol?)

If you're a cop, don't be an arse and witness under 500. I know, it's tempting, but anything under $500 is really just worthy of the prestigious I HAVE NO RESPECT award. I know it's a crime. I know it's something I should stop. But please, anything under $500 is just trolling.

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>Unmarked units, preferably with marked backup in your group, that way there's no doubt in the crim's mind: "oh sh*t, i'm being chased"

>Use communication with your squad, either in /g chat or discord/ts. It allows your units to be efficient, and also allows for teamwork. I find that briefings before a patrol are actually effective, as they establish general procedure for the patrol. Your squad should split up, and not stick too close while not spreading too far.

>I personally prefer LTL during a patrol, usually with Stun grenades. If I'm in a larger district, I like my JG-1040 Tac with CJ3 and RS3, combined always with, yes, an FBW.

>Don't be extremely obvious when tailing a crim. Sirens spook the sh*t out of anyone with a large enough stash, and I've blipped people before and had them take off from my Broadwing in something, to say the least, much faster (my broadwing has Steel Plates 3,lol)

>Drive to code. Nevermind, I'm not gonna ask for people to be decent drivers with all the lag. But seriously, arriving on scene/pursuing safely is much more efficient. Smoking out halfway to the drop is not fun.

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The most rage I've had from ram raiding booty.... was some random enforcer turning P5 and driving in n my direction on the minimap.

I pull out the ALIG and wait, and destroy him. Job done. Then the rage whispers start and I go back to pick up the loot which I hadn't considered, only to find $1.2m!

I would have given it back, only his rage whispers and insults included my mother and cancer, so were really quite personal - so I dropped it off while he raged and rammed my car.

Just after I dropped it off the crim who the enforcer had been colluding with to keep the ram raiding money safe from being witnessed by other enforcers started raging in district chat since I had 'stolen'' his money.

It did make me smile.

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The most rage I've had from ram raiding booty.... was some random enforcer turning P5 and driving in n my direction on the minimap.

I pull out the ALIG and wait, and destroy him. Job done. Then the rage whispers start and I go back to pick up the loot which I hadn't considered, only to find $1.2m!

I would have given it back, only his rage whispers and insults included my mother and cancer, so were really quite personal - so I dropped it off while he raged and rammed my car.

Just after I dropped it off the crim who the enforcer had been colluding with to keep the ram raiding money safe from being witnessed by other enforcers started raging in district chat since I had 'stolen'' his money.

It did make me smile.

They may have been the same person. I've done this but was smart enough to have my crim commit suicide in front of the enforcer and have my enforcer (second account) pick it up, then when I needed to turn in I just move my enforcer to the crim drop point and let my N5 crim kill, loot, and cash out.

It was more tediuos than I liked.

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The most rage I've had from ram raiding booty.... was some random enforcer turning P5 and driving in n my direction on the minimap.

I pull out the ALIG and wait, and destroy him. Job done. Then the rage whispers start and I go back to pick up the loot which I hadn't considered, only to find $1.2m!

Thats cute dream you had there  :Ha Ha Ha:   With premium, being alone and P5 all you want, you would need to literally spend 3-4 days in APB same district 24/7 undisturbed to collect 1.2 million apb money.  If it was so ez for cop to collect 1.2 million (being P5 all you want), there would be no crimes in the game.  :CoolDaddio:

 

For comparison in group of 4 where 4 people were cooperating and 1 held the stash, we managed to collect barely 400k in 6 hours of ram raiding, which was interrupted by numerous witnessing. 


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For comparison in group of 4 where 4 people were cooperating and 1 held the stash, we managed to collect barely 400k in 6 hours of ram raiding, which was interrupted by numerous witnessing. 

400k in 6 hours? gotta pump those numbers up, if you know good places you can make alot in short period of time.


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I think I have got to the bottom of this.
People are looting empty servers to get money to buy legendaries
Some then sell those legendaries for real money
This is illegal
So I fact I am stopping real crime with my online enforcer lol

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I earned like 1 milion, thanks to witness missions.


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I think I have got to the bottom of this.
People are looting empty servers to get money to buy legendaries
Some then sell those legendaries for real money
This is illegal
So I fact I am stopping real crime with my online enforcer lol

If that makes you sleep better at night.



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Thats cute dream you had there :Ha Ha Ha: With premium, being alone and P5 all you want, you would need to literally spend 3-4 days in APB same district 24/7 undisturbed to collect 1.2 million apb money. If it was so ez for cop to collect 1.2 million (being P5 all you want), there would be no crimes in the game. :CoolDaddio:

For comparison in group of 4 where 4 people were cooperating and 1 held the stash, we managed to collect barely 400k in 6 hours of ram raiding, which was interrupted by numerous witnessing.


The crim was ramraiding, the enforcer was periodically taking the stash to make it safe since his buddy could no longer be witnessed with the money. Where they went wrong was that the cop went p5 and ran for the drop.i don't know how long they were doing that for, but if with buddies helping you, you made that much you weren't working efficiently.

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Thats cute dream you had there  :Ha Ha Ha:   With premium, being alone and P5 all you want, you would need to literally spend 3-4 days in APB same district 24/7 undisturbed to collect 1.2 million apb money.  If it was so ez for cop to collect 1.2 million (being P5 all you want), there would be no crimes in the game.  :CoolDaddio:

 

For comparison in group of 4 where 4 people were cooperating and 1 held the stash, we managed to collect barely 400k in 6 hours of ram raiding, which was interrupted by numerous witnessing. 

You're doing it wrong. You need empty district and good routes filled with shops. I used to make around 100-120k per 40min with just 2 of us.



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Thats cute dream you had there  :Ha Ha Ha:   With premium, being alone and P5 all you want, you would need to literally spend 3-4 days in APB same district 24/7 undisturbed to collect 1.2 million apb money.  If it was so ez for cop to collect 1.2 million (being P5 all you want), there would be no crimes in the game.  :CoolDaddio:

 

For comparison in group of 4 where 4 people were cooperating and 1 held the stash, we managed to collect barely 400k in 6 hours of ram raiding, which was interrupted by numerous witnessing. 

 

Was making about 500k alone for few hours of casual ramraiding and chatting for a night. Ended up with 12m for less than a month. If you know what to pick, routes and you are aware of the situation in the district, it's pretty much easy. You guys probably did it wrong way.


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No no no, you have it all wrong. What you do os you go after them as a criminal, make sure you have max tier mugging equip and a very strong anti-vehicle weapon. What you do is run over peds till you hit N4, then mug em till you're one mugging away from N5. Now you go look for criminals, if there's no enforcers in the district, you'll have a better chance at a big payout and clean getaway. Once you find another criminal, mug that one last ped, hit N5, blow them up with their vehicle, lose your bounty, take their cash and launder it. They can't do anything to fight back after you kill them either, the rage it creates is beautiful.

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Hi everyone, I would like to get peoples opinions about crims looting on empty servers. I have lately become a little obsessed with witness farming crims doing the behaviour even for $100. The highset haul I had was form a N5 afk crim that had $20k+ lol.

They seem to have a sense of entitlement to this 'free' money and that I am the one doing something wrong. I personally want to burn all of them as hard as I can these days, and take the I AM THE LAW approach, but what does the community think of this crim behaviour?

Higest this year i witness was a Max rank was getting 2 lower lvls to ram raid for him (enforcer getting crims to ram raid.) While he was stupid enough to let them hold the money.. I witnessed started SPAMMING whisper asking me to call backup.

 

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No no no, you have it all wrong. What you do os you go after them as a criminal, make sure you have max tier mugging equip and a very strong anti-vehicle weapon. What you do is run over peds till you hit N4, then mug em till you're one mugging away from N5. Now you go look for criminals, if there's no enforcers in the district, you'll have a better chance at a big payout and clean getaway. Once you find another criminal, mug that one last ped, hit N5, blow them up with their vehicle, lose your bounty, take their cash and launder it. They can't do anything to fight back after you kill them either, the rage it creates is beautiful.


Lol this is now on my to do list

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As far i remember the tactic to ramraid was create new account with bronze thread and do it in green district waterfront lmao.

Even if a cop did the same thing. wouldnt be fully armed like OSMAW etc. so u have ur way back to fight.

farm the money u need buy the weapon and sell it to yourself in private marketplace at $1.

 

Ramraiding in clean gold district is fault of newbie criminals. that spend 1 hour stacking up to get rick rolled later.


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As far i remember the tactic to ramraid was create new account with bronze thread and do it in green district waterfront lmao.

Even if a cop did the same thing. wouldnt be fully armed like OSMAW etc. so u have ur way back to fight.

farm the money u need buy the weapon and sell it to yourself in private marketplace at $1.

 

Ramraiding in clean gold district is fault of newbie criminals. that spend 1 hour stacking up to get rick rolled later.

 

Considering you can dethreat to bronze in a few days... I've made a new account to try this out and you'll still see R255 Enforcers armed to the teeth in there. You're pretty much better off dethreating to bronze if you're gonna do this as you'll at least be able to fight those people more effectively.

 

 

Lol this is now on my to do list

 

I like to use my Volcano when doing it, before they even realize they're being shot at, they're already exploded ;D


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