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I know this is just a bait, but I'll take it.

 

No this is a clickbait


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punkbuster will also redirect you to your specific game's devs, theres no actual support function
Not according to this thread with an admin response https://battlelog.ba...64759480346369/
Though I admit, its pretty old.

i'd say that less than 100 false positives out of a 13,000 sample is pretty good
Indeed. But false positives still exist. Some may be overlooked, but that's a baseless statement for now. All I know is that nobody but them would know that. I bet that FF will become less effective and more prone to false-bans as its user-base increases. Punkbuster was pretty good at its beginning times. That's why customer support should be well prepared to review ban cases.

not sure what you mean by "several threads of false-bans for bf4" (are these official ban repeal threads, or just people claiming to be falsely banned), but i'd bet they have about the same ratio as we do
I mean simple threads in no specific forum section dedicated to ban appeals. I don't think I ever heard of a game with a forum section dedicated to that. Doesn't make them less credible. It is what people would do if the customer support is ignoring them and there is no specific forum section dedicated to ban appeals. Mind that I'm not claiming their bans were legitimately false, because I haven't checked if they got reviewed on the forums. Doubt we can find out. Doesn't mean it is fake if we can't find out.

ff doesn't ban for programs, so I doubt it will go awry nearly as often as a traditional anticheat

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ff doesn't ban for programs, so I doubt it will go awry nearly as often as a traditional anticheat

 

 I don't know that. How do you know that?

And wouldn't it depend on the program? If it was harmful for instance?

Even if not harmful, there were several cases before where harmless programs were false-flagged.


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Tiggs, 

 

My account has been released, but when I enter the districts I am banned again. "Kicked FairFight", can you help me with this?
 
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I don't know that. How do you know that?
And wouldn't it depend on the program? If it was harmful for instance?
Even if not harmful, there were several cases before where harmless programs were false-flagged.

Because ff isn't a traditional anticheat that detects programs, it's a server side program that analyzes behavior and stat patterns

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Am I the only one that has not been unbanned :(



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Am I the only one that has not been unbanned :(

no, approximately 6984 other accounts aren't unbanned

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Because ff isn't a traditional anticheat that detects programs, it's a server side program that analyzes behavior and stat patterns

 

 I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional anti-cheat".

Any anti-cheat is not that simplistic. There are many many ways to hack and cheat without any program. I believe every anti-cheat analyzes behavior and stat patterns. How effective it is depends on its programming and how well it has been adjusted for the game its used for. I know VAC works like that. Would be surprised if PunkBuster didn't work like that.


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I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional anti-cheat".
Any anti-cheat is not that simplistic. There are many many ways to hack and cheat without any program. I believe every anti-cheat analyzes behavior and stat patterns. How effective it is depends on its programming and how well it has been adjusted for the game its used for. I know VAC works like that. Would be surprised if PunkBuster didn't work like that.

 
Be surprised then:
 
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I've never heard of PB doing anything besides searching memory, which is why it's ultimately not extremely effective, especially if a company doesn't keep up with it and actively work with Even Balance.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "traditional anti-cheat".
Any anti-cheat is not that simplistic. There are many many ways to hack and cheat without any program. I believe every anti-cheat analyzes behavior and stat patterns. How effective it is depends on its programming and how well it has been adjusted for the game its used for. I know VAC works like that. Would be surprised if PunkBuster didn't work like that.

VAC doesn't work like that, AFAIK no other anticheat works like that which is why it's ff's whole schtick

A "traditional" anticheat (like VAC) will be client side and will scan your game/pc for memory edits and processes. If it finds something it doesn't like it bans you, regardless of what the actual trigger was - could have been a mouse driver update

ff is entirely server side and basically looks over your shoulder while youre playing, recording things like character position, aim speed, camera position, etc. I won't post it here but a quick Google search will provide a link to the partially leaked sdk showing the things ff records and analyzes

A client side anticheat can be tricked or bypassed, whereas ff can't be bypassed without changing actual behavior/actions


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I believe ESEA uses server-side algorithms in their proprietary anticheat, but your point still stands. It's rare.

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I believe ESEA uses server-side algorithms in their proprietary anticheat, but your point still stands. It's rare.

Yeah that wouldn't surprise me, they go way above and beyond with their clientside stuff too

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VAC doesn't work like that, AFAIK no other anticheat works like that which is why it's ff's whole schtick

A "traditional" anticheat (like VAC) will be client side and will scan your game/pc for memory edits and processes. If it finds something it doesn't like it bans you, regardless of what the actual trigger was - could have been a mouse driver update

ff is entirely server side and basically looks over your shoulder while youre playing, recording things like character position, aim speed, camera position, etc. I won't post it here but a quick Google search will provide a link to the partially leaked sdk showing the things ff records and analyzes

A client side anticheat can be tricked or bypassed, whereas ff can't be bypassed without changing actual behavior/actions

 

 Interesting.

I see potential problems in the way FF functions though.

It is a good thing that APB:R was added to it then. F2P games, especially like APB:R, are usually full of cheaters and hackers in big numbers. This would really test the anti-cheat's metal.


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According to the cheating crew, that's just another false positive.


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According to the cheating crew, that's just another false positive.

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I believe ESEA uses server-side algorithms in their proprietary anticheat, but your point still stands. It's rare.

I think that is part of what they do, but AFAIK they usually find a cheat and ban you for it. I don't know much about their anti-cheat and I doubt many people do, but my understanding was basically all bans were by direct detection, but because of how invasive it is they can find reason to believe you cheat and then basically find the cheat on your computer afterward and ban you.


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I still dont fully understand. Like if they free ppl who were banned before FairFight, it mean everybody or those that was PunkBuster triggered, and how you know what banned you anyway?
Iam talking about accounts that are like 4-5 years old.

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According to the cheating crew, that's just another false positive.

according to the cheating crew, every ban is a false ban.

 

 

 

I still dont fully understand. Like if they free ppl who were banned before FairFight, it mean everybody or those that was PunkBuster triggered, and how you know what banned you anyway?
Iam talking about accounts that are like 4-5 years old.

 

 

G1 surely has a entry saying what banned them, mostlikely some categories, PB-cheating, TOS violation, and FF, GM-cheating

that way they can simply unlock all accounts with the category PB-cheating.


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according to the cheating crew, every ban is a false ban.

if this isn't the most blatant circlejerk fodder, I don't know what is.

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I have been banned 30+ times and never cheated once.

 

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I have been banned 30+ times and never cheated once.


That makes so little sense.
Are you sure you are not 14 anymore?

How am I suppose to play the game when the game doesn't even work??????????????

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That makes so little sense.
Are you sure you are not 14 anymore?

I could be 14 and still destroy you in fight club.



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That makes so little sense.
Are you sure you are not 14 anymore?

 

Honestly - not trying to pick sides or anything here, but insulting someone's maturity has like zero significance to APB.


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I could be 14 and still destroy you in fight club.

Oh damn, another cheater that tells me they can beat me. Phew dont get enough of those. Your last account got banned faster than even i expected.

Honestly - not trying to pick sides or anything here, but insulting someone's maturity has like zero significance to APB.

Would an adult make such an illogical statement? I could have just said something about mental stability i guess, can only point out stupid logic so much.

But since when did anything on the forums have any significance ever anyway?

Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog, 28 November 2016 - 08:16 PM.

How am I suppose to play the game when the game doesn't even work??????????????

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But since when did anything on the forums have any significance ever anyway?

Then why bother responding to my obvious bait of a reply to you? I knew you would pounce on the opportunity to respond to me. Too bad you still can't handle me in game.


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Oh damn, another cheater that tells me they can beat me. Phew dont get enough of those. Your last account got banned faster than even i expected.
Would an adult make such an illogical statement? I could have just said something about mental stability.

But since when did anything on the forums have any significance ever anyway?

It's called being part of the problem vs. the solution. And you sir are benefiting no one.

 

Look at what you're posting on. "

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If you want to be an example for people to just sit back and complain about others, do it. I don't control you but you are only adding to the toxicity of the forums, so decide what you want. Fire and fire does not stop a fire, obviously. 

 

This level of stuff is the partial reason by less communication by G1. I mean if I was working at G1, I came to see this thread and see multiple comments as such, I would be heavily hesitant on posting even anonymously.

 

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It's called being part of the problem vs. the solution. And you sir are benefiting no one.

 

Look at what you're posting on. "

Blog Post: November 2016 Update!

 

If you want to be an example for people to just sit back and complain about others, do it. I don't control you but you are only adding to the toxicity of the forums, so decide what you want. Fire and fire does not stop a fire, obviously. 

 

This level of stuff is the partial reason by less communication by G1. I mean if I was working at G1, I came to see this thread and see multiple comments as such, I would be heavily hesitant on posting even anonymously.

 

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Then why bother responding to my obvious bait of a reply to you? I knew you would pounce on the opportunity to respond to me. Too bad you still can't handle me in game.

Because the bait was obvious and these are the forums?
I cant beat a lot of cheaters, no surprise there.

It's called being part of the problem vs. the solution. And you sir are benefiting no one.
 
Look at what you're posting on. "
Blog Post: November 2016 Update!

 
If you want to be an example for people to just sit back and complain about others, do it. I don't control you but you are only adding to the toxicity of the forums, so decide what you want. Fire and fire does not stop a fire, obviously. 
 
This level of stuff is the partial reason by less communication by G1. I mean if I was working at G1, I came to see this thread and see multiple comments as such, I would be heavily hesitant on posting even anonymously.


Forums is for entertainment, nothing else going to be accomplished here. You can try to be as civil and righteous as you want but no one is going to actually take on board whats said on the forums. Except in rare circumstances in which case the thread or topic in question has no bearing on the game what so ever and is all semantics.

Nothing of what happens between players on the forums effects the level of communication given out by G1. They are getting heat and hate from how they are running their game, ruining it even. People discussing anything else other than the state of the game would not even be on the radar for reasons why they dont give out information about what they are generally doing with the game.

If i was working at G1 doing the job you want to do, i'd probably continue on my way keeping banned players from posting too but hey thats just my opinion on how rules should be kept on the forums.

How am I suppose to play the game when the game doesn't even work??????????????

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It's called being part of the problem vs. the solution. And you sir are benefiting no one.

 

Look at what you're posting on. "

Blog Post: November 2016 Update!

 

If you want to be an example for people to just sit back and complain about others, do it. I don't control you but you are only adding to the toxicity of the forums, so decide what you want. Fire and fire does not stop a fire, obviously. 

 

This level of stuff is the partial reason by less communication by G1. I mean if I was working at G1, I came to see this thread and see multiple comments as such, I would be heavily hesitant on posting even anonymously.

 

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Would an adult make such an illogical statement?

If adults were fallacy proof then Trump wouldn't be the best candidate, we wouldn't have refugee problems and there would be no religion.


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If adults were fallacy proof then Trump wouldn't be the best candidate, we wouldn't have refugee problems and there would be no religion.

My bad you're right. Mental instability of a baked potato he has.

Edited by UubeNubeh DaWog, 07 December 2016 - 03:26 PM.

How am I suppose to play the game when the game doesn't even work??????????????

APB servers are the most stable servers in the world. They never go above 33ms.

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When is the christmas event starting?


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When is the christmas event starting?


It should be this week maybe Friday because last year it started around the 15th.


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