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Wait so what you're saying is the current amount of money you're earning is not enough?

You say that you need more revenue for better performance and better development?

I highly doubt it's off your revenue if you actually focused once only on performance and the release an performance patch. If the performance patch would help people, the people will help you back. Don't expect to get more revenue from not giving the community what they've been wanting for months (years?) now.

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The fundamental problem with ARMAS is the same problem with everything that G1 does. They aim to make money, but in aiming to make money, they want money now. They never consider the long term. As such, you end up with overpriced items, bad impressions on customers, and overall bad business practices, yielding much less income than their fairly obvious alternatives. This was seen with how they treat their other games.

Warrock allowed for massive amounts of Pay2Win, and had little attempt at dealing with hackers. G1 essentially milked the game for what it was worth, and then sold it off and bought War Inc. With Fallen Earth, they heavily nerfed the free to play aspect of the game at launch, resulting in many players including myself and my entire circle of friends simply just dropping the game in its entirety. You don't need to make free to play worse to improve the appeal of the pay items. This type of mentality was also seen when missions rewards were heavily reduced and an end mission popup was put up for premium. Neume stated, "People didn't see a reason to buy premium, so we gave them one."

Unlike physical items, ARMAS is virtual, which means that there are no costs associated with the items aside from their initial creation. Valve has proven time and time again, that when you sell your items for less, you make more profit than you would have for selling them for higher. There are specific numbers if you want to look them up about Left 4 Dead 2's sales numbers vs. profit.

If G1 would sell items for less, they would make much more sales. By comparison, an account bound weapon at the moment could be $50. It's fairly unlikely that your average player will even consider buying this. But, if account bound weapons were cheaper, players could buy more for less, and get more bang for their buck. The player would get more items for their money, and most importantly, the consumer would be happier. When the consumers are happy, they are more likely to spend money on a product, which results in people spending as much, or more than they would have before, and getting more items, while being in a better state of mind.
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The value there is having a special looking weapon only available in a pay store, but being purely cosmetic. The look of the weapon alone is the value. Make a cool patootie looking gun, even if it has the same stats as a pre-existing one people would buy it. Hell, I love my CR5

That appeals to some people, not to me.
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Wait so what you're saying is the current amount of money you're earning is not enough?

You say that you need more revenue for better performance and better development?

I highly doubt it's off your revenue if you actually focused once only on performance and the release an performance patch. If the performance patch would help people, the people will help you back. Don't expect to get more revenue from not giving the community what they've been wanting for months (years?) now.



G1 is is at the bottom of the barrel have you seen how many crap guns they are trying to re-skin and release.
They had a chance to sort out the performance issues e.t.c it's gone and they know it.
The game might crawl on for another year or so ...BUT i guarantee you this it will be
based on false promises and anyone expecting anything else is holding on to one big dream.

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-Outfit Slots
-Inventory Space for said outfits.
-Equipment Slots
-Level 5 Equipment
-Weird gun mods

For example:

-Outfit slot and 10 inventory space = 800 G1C.

-Equipment Slot = 600 G1C

-Cuffmate MK V - CIA Cuffs with 50% faster arrest time = 1500 G1C

-Silencer Mod = 2000 G1C


They can use my examples and make a ton of extra dough. Who wouldn't buy that mommy? Who would call that stuff Pay 2 Win?

Not many.

I also like the OP's 100$ car idea. People would buy that mommy.
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They want my money? Well they need to stop doing this sh­it:

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If they release something nice and worth while, they get my money. If they release yet another useless preset weapon with a terrible selection of mods, they obviously don't get my money. But it seems like it's easier to pump out shi­tty presets than it is actual content. Hell it took them 2 years to re-release something from the original game, and there's STILL things that are missing.

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That appeals to some people, not to me.
Watch this, it is a fascinating look into the business side of gaming;
http://www.slideshar...s/paying-to-win

If people wanted pay 2 win they can just go to Innova. Everything's cheaper there anyways and they don't take 8 years to release stuff. Hell they even have the silenced scout on their marketplace. A good business model? Sell mommy people want. Not mommyty presets like they've been doing. They can release WAAAYYY more cosmetic content and make loads of money off of it, but instead all they do is rehash mommyty guns with mommyty mods. Pay 2 win isn't even an argument here considering APB isn't ONLY about gunplay (And how bad it actually is). Wanna know a quick way to make more money WITHOUT pay 2 win?

1. Outfit slots
2. Locker slots
3. More car kits/wheels/variation.
4. Obviously more clothing options and accessories.
5. Perhaps selling IGC? I've seen plenty of companies sell IGC for a price, like 100k ingame for 10 bucks.

There's loads of other options besides p2w to make money and make people happy..

The problem? The ARMAS team doesn't know how to do anything but release quick content to make a quick buck, they don't think of the longevity of what they're selling, but how much they can sell in the first 5 minutes of the release, leading to 99% of their bad decisions.

Edited by Kogey, 09 July 2013 - 09:43 PM.

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They just add a button to armas "Donate for better Servers", allowing you to choose the amount G1C you'd be willing to give.
I'd use it.
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They just add a button to armas "Donate for better Servers", allowing you to choose the amount G1C you'd be willing to give.
I'd use it.


I have put enough money into this game. Why should i be expected to fund servers when this
should have been addressed along time ago. You only have to look at Han and realize G1
will pillage money until it is dry and then not give a damn.

In-fact it would be nice to know if anyone had a refund from Halian Rising when it collapsed.
I bet they ain't seen a dime.

Edited by yangtongwong, 09 July 2013 - 09:48 PM.


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They just add a button to armas "Donate for better Servers", allowing you to choose the amount G1C you'd be willing to give.
I'd use it.


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G1's gone back on a lot of things their reps had promised us in the past. I'm sure there's people at RP who would have rather seen certain things go differently, because most of the community feels that way. The least G1 could do is keep their promise of not making the game pay2win. They've already released stuff that affects gameplay on Armas that isn't available in-game, the least they can do is keep it all balanced.


The issue isn't the power of the stuff that they're selling, it's the monumental price of everything. Look at League Of Legends. Everything that's on their market that affects gameplay can be acquired in-game after a bit of grinding. The prices for these "short-cuts" to unlocking the champions, glyphs/marks/whatever, etc. is fairly low. The most expensive champions are only ~$8, and you get to skip out on a few days, or weeks if you're new, of grinding IP to unlock them.
Both companies have very similar payment models, the main difference is price. It shows too
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Would you pay $100 for a vehicle with the performance of a Jericho/bishada and the armor of a Nomad with the ability to put any 4 mods in it? Are you seriously implying that a Jericho/Bishada with Nomad armor would not impact combat in a huge way? That is just rubbish.



I think both of what you say here is true and they are leaving money on the table from many folks like you. What if a typical 3 slot was $20 and there was a 3 slot available that let you put any three mods in was $40? Any three mods is going to get you some majorly OP weapons. Ntec with HB2 and IR3 or CJ3 ...



Where is the value there? Style I bought the CR5, because I like the skin, I buy clothes, because I like them.... not everything needs to be op to be of value


Bring in new Weapon skins like the CR5 for other weapons.
New Outfit, Theme, Song, Clothing slots and so on.

If you actually make the game P2W, which it is not atm, you will not make more money. I play with a lot of friend and we all spent a ton of cash on APB, but if it were going P2W with OP cars, weapons that could be modded with 2 red,blue,... mods, or just generally op stuff WE WOULD ALL QUIT. We couldn't buy that stuff we would just quit the game.

P2W is not fun and is not a way to increase income. It is just stupid.

If you seriously need more cash for the servers or GMs make a gosh darning Donations button with the promise to use it on those issues and I'll give you 100$ or more .... so would most people I play the game with.

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1. Outfit slots
2. Locker slots
3. More car kits/wheels/variation.
4. Obviously more clothing options and accessories.
5. Perhaps selling IGC? I've seen plenty of companies sell IGC for a price, like 100k ingame for 10 bucks.

There's loads of other options besides p2w to make money and make people happy..

The problem? The ARMAS team doesn't know how to do anything but release quick content to make a quick buck, they don't think of the longevity of what they're selling, but how much they can sell in the first 5 minutes of the release, leading to 99% of their bad decisions.


Pretty much this. All of my clothing, and theme slots are taken up. I have 3 pre-maid outfits which take up all of my slots. I don't like having to delete items I have spent quite some time designing just to add more space for new items.

I'm not rich - I don't always have spare cash to spend on video games - somethings are just more important. I find it that when they do a "Limited Release" it's almost always around the time I don't have spare cash to spend on video games, and it sucks because i'm missing out on an item i'm really interested in.

Rare items - how about putting them on the market? You have no idea how much I would pay for a sitting duck. I have a few account wide guns already - would I think about buying more? No - the guns I don't already own don't fit my play style. What I would spend money on is a gun that fits my play style and looks amazing (Silencer, custom skin, custom tagger, etc.) Even if it's a gun already I have. Example - I already own an account wide scout, but I would pay double or triple the price of that for an account wide sitting duck.

We need more districts, more clothing, more contacts. I know you guys are working on it, Asylum is the main example - but try to push more content outside of the major patches. I want more packs like the school girl and tactical pack and single clothing pieces like the high top boots and desert scarf. We aren't asking for a new item every week, but be a bit more frequent will ya? Putting a limited pack on the market 3-4 times isn't new content (tactical pack).

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If G1 would sell items for less, they would make much more sales. By comparison, an account bound weapon at the moment could be $50. It's fairly unlikely that your average player will even consider buying this. But, if account bound weapons were cheaper, players could buy more for less, and get more bang for their buck. The player would get more items for their money, and most importantly, the consumer would be happier. When the consumers are happy, they are more likely to spend money on a product, which results in people spending as much, or more than they would have before, and getting more items, while being in a better state of mind.


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Pretty much this. All of my clothing, and theme slots are taken up. I have 3 pre-maid outfits which take up all of my slots. I don't like having to delete items I have spent quite some time designing just to add more space for new items.

I'm not rich - I don't always have spare cash to spend on video games - somethings are just more important. I find it that when they do a "Limited Release" it's almost always around the time I don't have spare cash to spend on video games, and it sucks because i'm missing out on an item i'm really interested in.

Rare items - how about putting them on the market? You have no idea how much I would pay for a sitting duck. I have a few account wide guns already - would I think about buying more? No - the guns I don't already own don't fit my play style. What I would spend money on is a gun that fits my play style and looks amazing (Silencer, custom skin, custom tagger, etc.) Even if it's a gun already I have. Example - I already own an account wide scout, but I would pay double or triple the price of that for an account wide sitting duck.

We need more districts, more clothing, more contacts. I know you guys are working on it, Asylum is the main example - but try to push more content outside of the major patches. I want more packs like the school girl and tactical pack and single clothing pieces like the high top boots and desert scarf. We aren't asking for a new item every week, but be a bit more frequent will ya? Putting a limited pack on the market 3-4 times isn't new content (tactical pack).

This is all my personal opinion.


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I don't think they are "desperate". Like I said, things are simply plodding along.

They are clearly making a profit on this game and with their business model things can stay plodding along at this pace for years to come. The question is, how do they pick up the pace? How do we get new full sized districts? How do we get more GM's to deal with the hacker problem?

All these questions revolve around how much revenue the game brings in so if we want to see dramatic change changes in the monetization of this game has to be on the table.


Stop lying to yourself.

Step back for a minute. Forget that you're a moderator on these forums and speak as a customer.
Or are you afraid you'll be banished like Hill?

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While we would all like everything to be free that is obviously not feasible if the game is to survive. Armas has to offer something of value if it going to bring in enough revenue to meet payroll and pay all the bills. The more money the game brings in the more investment it receives, from more (any?) gms patrolling the servers to a larger tech staff working on new content it all flows from how much revenue armas brings in.


So what your saying is that ARMAS is not making, enough money? which i find really weird and some what hard to believe. G1 has other games that also have micropayments in them. The only reason ARMAS might not be making enough money is cause there aren't new players joining APB or OLD players are LEAVING APB.
1. huge income for G1 from ARMAS Joker boxes

From my perspective Armas offers little of value. I make a decent living and have the means to make purchases as I did in the past with warrock which was very much P2W relative to APB yet the total of my purchases over the last couple years has been 1 retail box. Though I do receive premium and 3 gun rentals for being a moderator I do not find any of this of particular value relative to what is available through ingame currency.


ARMAS weapons aren't much OP, ARMAS only unlocks the "3 sloted" weapons before weapons rank 15. Which allows players to "shorten" the farm all the way up. Which also help when start a different alt.
But you should not forget, you are making a decent living, not all have that. The players here in APB starts from 13 years old and above. Some are causal gamers that doesnt want to spend 40 bucks on a "account perm"

This will scare off New incoming players, The old players yes your "loyal customers" wont mind buying it cause they love and support the game. (not the host please dont confuse that). Old players doesnt see that G1 is making much progress in the game, no new content/contacts/ maps etc. They get bored and they leave the game (hackers/lagg/lack of g1 PR).

I can not help but think there are others out there like me who have the means to make purchases but chose not to based on the offerings currently available. With that in mind what could be offered on Armas that minimally tips the balance of the game?

My personal thought is vehicles are an area that could be further monetized. The thing about vehicles is they are not typically involved directly in combat PvP situations and therefore can be buffed with minimum affect on the gameplay. Would you pay $100 for a vehicle with the performance of a Jericho/bishada and the armor of a Nomad with the ability to put any 4 mods in it?



And no, i dont want any item on ARMAS being that exspensive WHY in gods name would i pay 100$ for an pixel ? and play in a game where:
1. The FPS is blah
2. Hacker problem
3. Lagg problem
4. lack of continent
5. everything cost money.

It will be a major turn off for me if G1 monopolized APB more for it's money. Do more discounts, or rebate if you are keeping prices up. I personaly ONLY buy weapons or anything high priced when there is a 40%-60% discount. I HATE when G1 force me to buy something with out a discount.

What about silenced weapons? They are not all that commonly used, why? Because they ain't all that silent. Would you pay more for one that was of the same noise level pre-nerf? Did that dramatically affect balance when they were quieter?

It seems like things have been just plodding along since the excitement of launch and you do not have to read in between the lines of the developers posts to see that a lack of resources is holding things back more then a lack of will. These folks put in a ton of hours along with their heart and soul into this game. The question here is how do we get them more resources to work with and still provide a competitive environment for those that chose to not make any purchases.

I know some of you think G1 is just rolling in money and is simply refusing to invest it back in the game. This is not the case, if you think this is true then you have no idea the kind of capital it takes to fund the day to day operations of an international business so if you have a post to make along that line just save it for a different thread.


I dont mind having more silenced weapon on armas BUT WHY SO EXPENSIVE?? I know it's OP and unique BUT 3999 G1 ??? harroooooo (watchman) And the reason they arent used alot (i find it weird) is cause it's so expensive. and i think you never seen the game yet (So many NANO around). And before NANO/Watchman it was the OCA whisper that was the MAIN silence weapon in the game.

No keep it the way it is Dont change it, change the price.

Note for the developers, I know putting your long hours and heart and soul in a patch is good, but please REVIEW your work before releasing it. You dont have an "testing server and TESTING cew" for nothing.
AND LISTEN to your testing crew and community (filter out the trolls).


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With free games that include in-game purchases, two particularly important things occur: first, more people will try out the game since there is zero cost to doing so and second, revenue will likely be more than a traditional game since different players can now spend different amounts of money that depend on their engagement with the game and their preferences towards it. It is not unlikely for some players to spend tens of thousands of dollars in a game that they enjoy.[11]

Not all are willing but there are some.
Bring new map, items, challenges, etc in APB
Dont "break the game"
Dont "nerf weapons"
Update older and unused weapons (LTL)
FIx servers
Unlock Everything (clothing slots, equipment slots and MORE CLOTHING SPACE
Keep ALL NEW clothing items At 99 GC1 WHY 5$ or more ?

Wile your at it. Please Fix back the 12,000 GC1 Tommy gun MK3 it pains my heart that G1/APB team decide to break that gun which i payed so much for it.

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A common concern about the free-to-play model is whether or not free games have to constantly request that the player buy extra content in order for them to survive or continue in the game, and if so, at what point does it become an annoyance or make the player feel uncomfortable about it.[5]


-Outfit Slots YES
-Inventory Space for said outfits. YES
-Equipment Slots YES
-Level 5 Equipment YES
-Weird gun mods YES

For example:

-Outfit slot and 10 inventory space = 800 G1C. NO

-Equipment Slot = 600 G1C NO

-Cuffmate MK V - CIA Cuffs with 50% faster arrest time = 1500 G1C NO

-Silencer Mod = 2000 G1C NO


They can use my examples and make a ton of extra dough. Who wouldn't buy that mommy? Who would call that stuff Pay 2 Win?

Not many.

I also like the OP's 100$ car idea. People would buy that mommy. NO


hell no. you crazy ? that price..... ohh wait your trolling :D :troll_face: other wise NO but i dont speak for rich kids/high income payers. Only saying as a causal gamer who is poor

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no one commented on my post ;-;

Kay. I agree, Pay2Win is a stupid concept. if it affects gameplay in any fashion, it should not be pay exclusive. The pay option should be there primarily for CONVENIENCE.

Exclusive skins and clothing? Have at it.

Exclusive preset weapons? Have at it.

3-Slot weapons and ARMAS vehicles? Have at it.

Exclusive guns and items that directly affect gameplay? No. Bad idea. Always.
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You're asking if APB should go more towards a pay to win format? Not a good idea.
Right now, because of the bonus money and points given to subscribed players, it's more like pay to progress faster. That is acceptable as it stands.
Because of the limits imposed on customization and design tools for free players, it's also pay to have fun designing and pay to look cool.

It comes back to the one thing that sets APB apart from any other game. Its customization features.

You want to make money? Stock ARMAS in a way that leverages that strongpoint. Here's a few of the things that I would have bought so far if they were on ARMAS:

1. Joker Boxes that I could gift to other players.
2. Clothes that were not yet unlocked in game.
3. Wardrobe space.
4. Garage space.
5. Individual pieces of a clothing pack (which I didn't buy because I only wanted one piece out of ten).

Your heart's in the right place, gotitdone. You want to drum up some business for ARMAS and the game subsequently. But instead of asking us what one $50 item we would buy, I think G1 would be further ahead asking us what 12 $5 items we would buy.

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P2W in my eyes = Weapons & armor that you have to buy, and CAN'T get in game by any means.

APB has pretty much every gun that's on arma's for sale in a shop for in-game dollars, but you can't apply mods to them, while you can on most on those of armas.

The guns in armas are however only 10%-20% of all the guns you can get, so in my eyes this game is not pay2win, as it also comes down to skill and not which weapon you have.

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Alright. Without me going into rage mode about P2W, all I will say is that it is an extremely idiotic idea and btw dude..

That would be nice but then the reality of no revenue to pay the bills smacks us in the face. Reality always gets in the way of the good things in life....


Are you actually telling me,with a straight face, that they do NOT get enough money from all the boxes,skins,clothing items,cars,guns,character slots,name changes,premium?. I am sorry but do you play a different APB from the one we are playing?.. I see people buying the bloody -BOXES- daily in vain trying to get those guns.

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Alright. Without me going into rage mode about P2W, all I will say is that it is an extremely idiotic idea and btw dude..



Are you actually telling me,with a straight face, that they do NOT get enough money from all the boxes,skins,clothing items,cars,guns,character slots,name changes,premium?. I am sorry but do you play a different APB from the one we are playing?.. I see people buying the bloody -BOXES- daily in vain trying to get those guns.


I don't see APB as Pay2win, even when poeple have that nano.

All guns here have downpoints and ups, and are actually simply there to fit poeples playstyle & skill level in shooters.

For me, i find myself using marksmanmode alot, which automaticly means i will use a gun that benefits from it, which is the scoped N-TEC, snipers also fit in this category, or anything that actually is long range, that will also determine what kind of player i am, and what role i have in APB.

The answer would be: Support, giving my team support from a long range, or get in the fight with a N-TEC and support that way.

It all comes down for me to this.

What is your Playstyle?
What is your skill?
What type of weapons you prefer?

If a guy is good enough, he will and can own with that gun everyone gets at the start because it comes down to skill and how well you know the game & shooters.

Edited by MelloBE, 09 July 2013 - 11:32 PM.


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Lol take an example of this

Obeya EU

average player there buys about 250 JB
Player base on this sever is about : 2300
and about 2000 buys them

So lets try, 2000 x 250 = 500.000 Boxes

500.000 x 99 GC1 = 49.500.000 GC1

8000 GC1 is about 100 $

So 49.500.000 / 8000 = 6187.50 x 100 = 618.750 $

So from this little math g1 is making 618.750 USD from JB if Obeya server buys it. And trust me they do soooo :) and we do have 1 - 5 JB ^^ :computerbrain:

Or correct me if im wrong ^^

P.S i was called P2W cause i had a 15 day lease on an CR5 from a JB :3

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There shouldn't be any P2W whatsoever. Every weapon ARMAs should be achievable in game. It being on ARMAs only makes acquiring them easier.

Becoming P2W should never be a discussion. And cosmetics should never be ridiculously priced.
Your investment into ARMAs is merely a way to fund the game unknowing to where it actually funds into.


Most weapons on armas are obtainable through joker stores.
I'm a P2W myself, and the best advantage I find to it so to have
1) a nano
2) 3-slot account-bound permanent weapons

All other armas guns have their flaws, just like non-p2w weapons (just look at the scout, ridiculous damage, it gets outsniped by everything)

The only exception to this is the nano, which is a secondary assault rifle with enrmous sprinitng accuracy, this i used to find a it unsettling at first, but then i got used to its low ttk when in the hands of the enemy and I don't find it p2w anymore (besides you need luck to get a nano, not only money)

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To be honest as of now i don't see any weapon on the armas that is pay2win. Though you guys really messed up the guns with that weapons patch....having said that having no real background in the gaming world , nor any background in finance ... i think you are going in the wrong direction in terms of "what do you wanna see on armas that wouldn't be op" it would be more like "what do you want fixed?" as if right now this moment none will spend a cent on anything unless the money is burning a hole in their pocket .... the servers are way to laggy ( we can still tell even when you change /fps menu ) there are still way to many cheaters to shake a stick at. The spawn system is really nice but needs work. when you fix whats broken then you can go back to "what do you guys think about armas content"

i understand there will always be something wrong , which thats goin to happen i understand this. but you have to make a punch list on whats most important. Choose wisely , i think the population of apb is dwindling to nothing.

i hope this helps

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There's SO much money to be made. The problem is that G1 has flogged all the releases so hard that people have simply bought them or refuse to buy them.
I mean, they don't release anything major (that they usually have in the files) like the OCA mobile that's an alternative to the joker box nano.
That'd make a fair deal of money because people are assured and aware of the fact that when they click 'purchase' they're going to get it and not potentially 3 day shizzle.
Having said that, joker boxes have worked out well in general for G1, they've all had a certain, unique appeal and we've all heard the stories of people buying hundreds and not getting anything (or buying 4 and getting 2 legendaries).

They have the option to make money, they just choose not to. Think of how much stuff is hidden in the game files (and on apbdb).
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why invest in a game that is progressively getting harder to play and more random as it goes through its life. The random hit reg, ghost shots, warping/teleporting, falling through the world on occasion, stuck in crouch, falling out of marksman, inbalanced missions and a now annoying spawn system that we all have to get used to.
I mean, most of the things are deep problems with the game that have been in the game for a while and have gotten worse. Though teleporting was introduced around the 2nd valentines update, remember all those roll back threads lol. If they couldn't find or fix the issue of that what is the point in investing more into this game. Its sad really.

If they ever fix those long standing issues then maybe the older players will buy stuff again to prolong the life of the game, but as it stands most will not spend and encourage others not to do so. If G1 is stuggling, convince a venture capital company to invest in development and infrastructure, i dont really care if its not possible anymore really, there's been plenty of time. Heck, shut down HAN, waste of money.

And armas in general is a joke, sell everything in the game. None of that limited mommy, jesus there are so many skins to sell, mods, slotted equipment, slotted weapons, cars to sell. If they cant sell anything, they're just gosh darning stupid.
I hate pay to win, but I dont mind pay for shortcuts and customisation. Take advantage of that there's so much content there.

Heck why not do stuff that... hate to say it, COD/BF does. Quad premium weekends and Double Role progression. so much to do, so much unused potentia.

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Can I be honest?

I'm not buying anything anymore because there isn't anything that I find interesting, or priced at what I would call a fair value


Of the few things I'd like to purchase, none are available, or mabe their price is a bit over the top.

Even tough I'm fine in the weapon department, I wouldn't mind a new, shiny 3-slot ATAC, or even a permanent HVR, just to save me the trouble of leasing it all the time. It's just that I'm not exactly in the state where I can shell out 70€ for these items.
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I am a player who volunteers as a forum mod. These are my personal opinions based on what I have seen over the last couple years and playing warrock before that. What I post does not represent the views of G1.

You make it sound like you know something we don't know anything about. Like a lack of ressources for G1 to further support the development of APB properly.
Better clarify if you just state personal opinions or not in the OP.



What about silenced weapons? They are not all that commonly used, why? Because they ain't all that silent. Would you pay more for one that was of the same noise level pre-nerf? Did that dramatically affect balance when they were quieter?

The original volume of silenced weapons was gamebreaking, because you wouldn't even know if they were shooting at all.

Where is the value there?

People like the looks of certain weapons. Weapons that are not available ingame. Providing different models for one kind of weapon opens up a new money-influx, without creating balancing issues.

PMG » UMP.
OCA » Kriss Vector.
HVR 243 » Steyr Scout.

SAS PDW » Tec-9.
FBW » Beretta M9.

Just to give some ideas. A lot of people really care about this stuff. I would prefer a Steyr Scout over the current Scout any day. Only because of the looks.
And the Kriss Vector has many, many fans.

Even more money could be made, if they invested in a free lance animator to add some bullpup-reload-animations and something else but the pistol grip hold.
This would open up another field of weapons (STAR » Steyr AUG, ATAC » Famas)


Now, knowing the ways of the ARMAS team, they would probably make those models available as seperate guns at full price. So people who already own the original one won't buy the reskin. Few people have money to burn.
Offering a simply model selector in addition to the skin selector and selling these re-models for a lower price for owners of the original gun would make them more money at the end of the day.

Which is a problem of ARMAS in general. The pricing is horrendous. You don't make more money with those prices, you make less. You take away the incentive to buy something. The only time I buy something is during a promo (rebate, discount). I haven't spent more than 2500 credits for a permanent weapon.

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Heck why not do stuff that... hate to say it, COD/BF does. Quad premium weekends and Double Role progression. so much to do, so much unused potentia.



this would be nice the last rank for guns is a joke , who in here has that crome skin that didnt buy it for a primary weapon. When you unlock that , you should get prem for life ... just saying

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I've spent over 2500$ on this game and I don't regret it. Why? This game is amazing. The only problem is the company.

They need to stop hiding things and stop with the SURPRISE GUYS LOOK WHAT WE DID!! Get rid of SPCT but keep SPCC around to monitor the servers. Let players who actually know the game test out the new content and be able to give direct feedback to developers. Make it a PTR.

@ the pay2win. Dude. Do you ever read how much of a moron people who post on the APB face book page are? The most liked comment on 1/2 their posts is by some foreigner saying " game so pay2win ". Its not one bit pay 2 win.

They need to stick to selling cosmetics like most successful cash shops do. SWTOR, maple story, guild wars 2.. they ALL sell cosmetics and people eat it up like crazy because its unique. Even though I'm grateful for the weapon skins we get through events and contact progression they could have made sooooooooo much more money by limiting skins to be only purchased through armas.

Tldr G1 just needs to add more buyable cosmetics to make players feel unique.

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There shouldn't be any P2W whatsoever. Every weapon ARMAs should be achievable in game. It being on ARMAs only makes acquiring them easier.

^This

People willing to put in time and effort should have access to similar weapons, vehicles and mods (stuff that matter during missions). ARMAS should be a way to bypass the time and effort. Getting 3 slot weapons without rank 15. That kind of stuff. ARMSA should also unlock cosmetic items. Like clothings. Bodykits for vehicles.

The MAIN reason why i don't like Innova and one of the stronger reasons why I just recently returned to G1 is because they have P2W.

They have better servers (compared to EU that does not have overkill servers, yet)
Better looking ARMAS (the HTML is better and they also have video tutorials)
More players / full districts.
A bit less number of cheaters.
A lot less cheat accusations of legit players (this is a big one, but nothing G1 can alter).

But as I said, they have P2W. Big drawback.
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I would not want totally silent suppressed weapons.
I just love the sound of DRM-SD.
...what if Whisper had that sound (but with faster rate of fire).
Would be awesome :-)
(Would make more sense if using -SD does not show up on radar, but then it need some serious drawback - like 20% shorter damage drop off- and minimal damage- range)

bishada indeed have more stronk math skill then you.


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Im stil waiting for the Silenced PMG which was like under development since 1.5 years ago

Guess it was SoonTM

Btw, want people to invest, try giving something they enjoy. You dont get supporters if you dont give them something to support for.

Not sure what the PR team of G1 is doing but not really their job..

Im looking for partime job :3 hire me as a PR lets see if we can save G1 from the ------ it is now... :3 :computerbrain:

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While we would all like everything to be free that is obviously not feasible if the game is to survive. Armas has to offer something of value if it going to bring in enough revenue to meet payroll and pay all the bills. The more money the game brings in the more investment it receives, from more (any?) gms patrolling the servers to a larger tech staff working on new content it all flows from how much revenue armas brings in.

From my perspective Armas offers little of value. I make a decent living and have the means to make purchases as I did in the past with warrock which was very much P2W relative to APB yet the total of my purchases over the last couple years has been 1 retail box. Though I do receive premium and 3 gun rentals for being a moderator I do not find any of this of particular value relative to what is available through ingame currency.

I can not help but think there are others out there like me who have the means to make purchases but chose not to based on the offerings currently available. With that in mind what could be offered on Armas that minimally tips the balance of the game?

My personal thought is vehicles are an area that could be further monetized. The thing about vehicles is they are not typically involved directly in combat PvP situations and therefore can be buffed with minimum affect on the gameplay. Would you pay $100 for a vehicle with the performance of a Jericho/bishada and the armor of a Nomad with the ability to put any 4 mods in it?

What about silenced weapons? They are not all that commonly used, why? Because they ain't all that silent. Would you pay more for one that was of the same noise level pre-nerf? Did that dramatically affect balance when they were quieter?

It seems like things have been just plodding along since the excitement of launch and you do not have to read in between the lines of the developers posts to see that a lack of resources is holding things back more then a lack of will. These folks put in a ton of hours along with their heart and soul into this game. The question here is how do we get them more resources to work with and still provide a competitive environment for those that chose to not make any purchases.

I know some of you think G1 is just rolling in money and is simply refusing to invest it back in the game. This is not the case, if you think this is true then you have no idea the kind of capital it takes to fund the day to day operations of an international business so if you have a post to make along that line just save it for a different thread.



Your post shows me that you and your friend have 0 idea what theyre talking about.

CSG as it stands currently is pay2win, the accuracy required to get that 0.7s kill at the distance of 15m is unmatched
The JG follows, but that again is a Shotgun/SMG imbalance that needs to be adressed.
The whisper did become pay2win again with the last OCA nerf that screwed up the OCA's accuracy beyond belief.

So thats 2 Pay2win guns right there.
Revoemag himself implied that the CSG is pay2win.

Also, where do your sources come from regarding the games status
Afaik youre "just" a moderator, your nick is purple, not red.
So it boggles my mind what you are trying to instigate here. All G1 and RP staff, which are the only ppl that can know about the games financial state, have a red title.

As a Forum Moderator you should have a better understanding of your position and not post something like this under that account.
And even if it was true, it'd just drop G1's reputation down even further, as a mod posting this instead of Jericho/Bjorn.
Just no.

But Im guessing its the formre of those 2 choices. And if so, you should have put that in your OP.

Also I highly doubt that APB is in such a bad state as youre trying to say it, honestly I just believe you want something pay2win to make you win easier, or at all.

All the kits are always well sold, I see so many people running around with em, its fascinating.

However, yes I do too believe that sales are declining lately, but Ima tell you why, its not because of how old the game is, but because of how G1 is handling the game.
Ghost shots are in the game since 2011 which was ignored til late 2012, then a post was made and the overkill distribution is going rather slowly, if it even is still being distributed at all.
I havent bought anything(beside the skateboard on xmas) on armas since a long long time, why? Because the servers are sh*t, and have been for a long time.

So if the money isnt coming in, its not because there isnt enough on Armas, its because people are fed up with the games performance, and you guys should finaly do something about it.
But once again, there is nothing, no info regarding the current status of deployment for the OK servers.
And another thing, its not just about the games performance, but about how g1 handles it, and as once again, there is 0 communication regarding the state of the overkill servers, which results in 0 money from people like me.

And trust me, I earn up to 300$ a day, I have more than enough to spend on APB.(but Im spending it on FireFall and Warframe atm =3)

On another note, Armas prices itself are way too high for guns, look at how FireFall and Warframe have their prices arranged, its quite different.


The ole chicken and egg conundrum.


This is probably my favorite post in this thread.

We've been giving money to g1 since Armas opened, I even know a few ppl that have almost all golden guns from Armas.
Yet youre implying that we cant get better servers before we give you more money.

When will you have enough money for new servers?
In a month? In 2? In 6?

I was actually planning to get premium again today(payday) and design new pants, but I just lost all motivation for that.

gg dude, nice job youre doing for G1.
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List of things I can think of that wouldn't alter gameplay (but will never be added because its too much work)

Visual weapon attachments. [Acog, holo sight, supressor, etc...]

Audio weapon changes

Custom titles + color

Clan housing

Custom tagger

Standing/exp booster [ Stacks with premium]

MORE Car audio and visuals

Custom death screen for opponents when you kill them

Clan icons for clan leaders to buy

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That would be nice but then the reality of no revenue to pay the bills smacks us in the face. Reality always gets in the way of the good things in life....

Cosmetic unique items.
Same weapon but different skin and sound (see N TEC / CR-5) was very brilliant.

Less cosmetic items as rewards from events. Save them for ARMAS. Make them ARMAS exclusive.


(also, you probably make more money with limited lease than life-time purchase).


Where is the value there?

People would buy it. The CR-5 does not have to be p2w in order for people to buy it. Just make it cool enough. Coolness and Uniqueness goes a very long way.

bishada indeed have more stronk math skill then you.


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I have spent over 80k G1C already,but im not going to support this company anymore untill they fix/improve basic things like their customer support.. its the biggest crap I have ever seen,then the servers,random bugs and so on which they couldnt fix in these 2 years.

look at company that owns Warframe for example.. weekly updates,they communicate with the community and people which spent over 250$ can actually vote what to add to the game.

there also aint no refund on stuff you really dont need.. there should be actually atleast one account reset,which would actually reset everything on your account: all characters would get deleted,all G1C would be refunded,and all this stuff. but this company is too selfish and they will never think,and be grateful to people which help/helped them atleast somehow with money.

just look at this.. there isnt even a proper system to report cheaters,they even disabled only one name&shame thread on these forums which worked pretty nicely.. its a shame,really.. I hope they will re-think all this stuff..would be really nice :)

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