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RTW shaders don't give you a gameplay advantage

Having a dot in the center at all times does


Because seeing better isn't an advantage? Ok.

I also know about 3x as many people who use xfire or amd programs for a dot in the center of their screen, or people who use tape and a sharpie.


I'm tired of G1 having a grey area on everything where some users get banned and others don't because they act like an upset and indecisive woman and cant decide whether to stop dicking around and fix their crap, or do nothing and be a bad company like they usually are.

(Sidenote, Hordeau uses a cumstain for his center crosshair dot.)

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Seriously Ezzi..?


You think that posting it here will cause us to discover what your talking about. You do realize that we have access to the rest of the internet too, not just our own forums, right?

As I've said in the past, custom shaders ARE a grey area, it's a subject of discussion amongst the staff and we're attempting to come to an agreement on the subject, but suffice to say, until then it is a grey area. We won't ban you for it, I'm not going to sit down & find your stream and ban you for using the RTW shader or whatever. The dot in the centre of a crosshair, really...? It's not really an unfair advantage when anyone can do it, not to mention it doesn't really give much of an advantage either..

We cannot guarantee that PB will not detect & ban you for it, it's an at your own risk move, while I find it doubtful that PB would indeed ban you for it, you can never be too sure, especially with the shaders that draw outlines on the players and let you see them through smoke, that's dodgy.

I hope that makes our stance clear. Also Ezzi, enjoy 3 days off of our forums for your unacceptable posts.
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Also Ezzi, enjoy 3 days off of our forums for your unacceptable posts.


Is that paid? You know Sunday Monday and Tuesday will be double pay?
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Is that paid? You know Sunday Monday and Tuesday will be double pay?

What!?

Why wasn't I informed!

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NIce one to get a proper answer on that subject at last ;)

Now one more thing Revo the day you guys over at G1/RP comes to a agreement on the subject-
then I'll hope you'll post again in advance telling the outcome of it on what ever it will be allowed or not.
So we don't end up with oh it's decided now that any client mods/changes will lead to a instant ban and the player base gets taken by surprise and we get a mass ban on our hands as I guess loads more players will start use changed client files now after your reply ;)

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Personally i think any modification to the game should be bannable (due to the fact that sometimes it could give an advantage depending on what's been modified) . But to be honest i dont see any harm having a dot in the middle, but ive never tried it so cant say if it gives an advantage or not.

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The dot in the centre of a crosshair, really...? It's not really an unfair advantage when anyone can do it, not to mention it doesn't really give much of an advantage either..

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I am sad now. :(


I prefer blue tac actually.

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Hacking isn't a bannable offense so I don't see why this would be.


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No i'm getting mad because retards like him are why we can't have nice things. They're NEVER going to find out about stuff like this unless fucking idiots nail it to their foreheads. Of course you're not going to get banned for this, it's not a fucking aimbot.

I'm just really angry at people with no common sense. They lock the shader files and bam, we got a shitty unoptimized game that looks as shit as it plays. All because one retard wanted to know if something undetectable would get him perma banned. Use your fucking brain.


I dont think that wanting to know if something banns him can be labeled as being re tar ded, plus I think you are being way too worked up about this, I wonder why Herp Derp

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This dot reminds me of the already banned debug hitmarkers. If you have the stock settings this dot is not in the game option and thus not intended in APB, officially, but people can also paint a dot on their computer-screen and have the same effect and neither the devs or PB will find it out. And this dot you get from the shaders seem more like a feature which they forgot to implement, to ease up the gameplay, like the various sprint changes and not something they would ban for.

Yeah the borderlands shader is really borderline, the outlines are a bit too much...

Edited by HeadStrikeRx, 03 June 2012 - 07:50 AM.


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We cannot guarantee that PB will not detect & ban you for it, it's an at your own risk move, while I find it doubtful that PB would indeed ban you for it, you can never be too sure, especially with the shaders that draw outlines on the players and let you see them through smoke, that's dodgy.


But.. but.. borderlands :(

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This dot reminds me of the already banned debug hitmarkers. If you have the stock settings this dot is not in the game option and thus not intended in APB, officially, but people can also paint a dot on their computer-screen and have the same effect and neither the devs or PB will find it out. And this dot you get from the shaders seem more like a feature which they forgot to implement, to ease up the gameplay, like the various sprint changes and not something they would ban for.

Yeah the borderlands shader is really borderline, the outlines are a bit too much...


The dot was a feature of the RTW APB version

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I like how this thread went from being banned for shaders to bragging about bypassing the censor and now it's back on the shader topic.

I gosh darning love this mothergosh darning censor system myself. It's hilarious

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I dont see why it would be bannable, its just an UI mod, usualy those are allowed because they dont give you any advantage.
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I dont see why it would be bannable, its just an UI mod, usualy those are allowed because they dont give you any advantage.

Well there wouldn't be any point in using them if they didn't give you any sort of an advantage.

Edited by SuperToaster, 03 June 2012 - 08:44 AM.


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I do think they actually give an advantage.

On another note: Use Kevlar 1, 2 or 3 and you also got the crosshair while running. :D
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Does the dot go away if sprinting? If so I'll just keep my Chinese paper aimdot.

Edited by OBMakaW, 03 June 2012 - 08:55 AM.

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what I said above.


See this is all that was needed.
A simple question with a simply anser.
I dont see why she/he was getting so upset.

In all honesty if I was changing game fils for the first time I would be smart and just simply ask.
Its not like they already know about half this C*rap already. Im sure they all have lives and browse the interweb and not sit on here all day :troll_face:


Thanks Revo for clearing it up and giving a proper statement.
Still find it funny how the person was getting so mad over a simple question :troll_face:
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I think the right thing was done by asking the APB admins.

I made a thread asking if looting as an enforcer (see thread) because I hesitated on whether I should report it or not. Shortly after that thread, I got unlocked an OSMAW and realized how pricey it was, so I was even considering looting as an enforcer, but I don't know if it's forbidden or not. Still waiting for an admin to reply on that thread.

Peace.

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I think the right thing was done by asking the APB admins.

I made a thread asking if looting as an enforcer (see thread) because I hesitated on whether I should report it or not. Shortly after that thread, I got unlocked an OSMAW and realized how pricey it was, so I was even considering looting as an enforcer, but I don't know if it's forbidden or not. Still waiting for an admin to reply on that thread.

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As I've said in the past, custom shaders ARE a grey area, it's a subject of discussion amongst the staff and we're attempting to come to an agreement on the subject, but suffice to say, until then it is a grey area. We won't ban you for it, I'm not going to sit down & find your stream and ban you for using the RTW shader or whatever. The dot in the centre of a crosshair, really...? It's not really an unfair advantage when anyone can do it, not to mention it doesn't really give much of an advantage either..

We cannot guarantee that PB will not detect & ban you for it, it's an at your own risk move, while I find it doubtful that PB would indeed ban you for it, you can never be too sure, especially with the shaders that draw outlines on the players and let you see them through smoke, that's dodgy.


so now i got a clear answer from an admin... where can i find these shaders??? i'll be doin liek anybody else as well... if i get banned from PB i guarantee to yall i dun use hax at all... :elephantdance:

If so I'll just keep my Chinese paper aimdot.


where can i get a chinese paper??? :o

Edited by Hatsumiku, 03 June 2012 - 09:45 AM.

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where can i get a chinese paper??? :o

http://www.alibaba.c...h/CN/paper.html
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http://www.alibaba.c...h/CN/paper.html

is it available in states or jus in china... :whistle:

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The dot in the centre of a crosshair, really...? It's not really an unfair advantage when anyone can do it, not to mention it doesn't really give much of an advantage either..


The visible dot while sprinting is a huge advantage.
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Because what they don't know doesn't hurt us.

In other words: It's only cheating when you get caught.
(Not that the dot is a cheat, but you get the idea. No?)

It is people like you why we cant have nice things, also nice job using my anti-censorship trick. Theres infractions incoming for that.

Why are you getting so mad anyways, because you actually think yourself that the dot gives too much of an advantage and is therefore close to "cheating"?
Yea they will lock the shader files, but not cause someone brought it to attention, but because idiots like you need to take advantage of everything there is.
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Ah.. The days of no recoil and heavily staged press preview videos.

I mean, they could just remove the dot from the coding, if they knew how. It didn't used to be there IIRC. I used the RTW shaders in 1.7 and I never saw a dot in the middle of my crosshair. Haven't bothered putting them back in after reinstalling Windows but I am pretty sure this resurfaced in the new patch somehow.

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That video made me sad. APB used to look and run so much better on 1/4 the computer.
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That video made me sad. APB used to look and run so much better on 1/4 the computer.

that it did.. why g1 decided to change that, nobody will ever know.. no logic behind it.. well their logic was to reduce the client size and some bollocks, fat lot of good that did hm.. flashier game that runs poorer, weapon changes that makes combat OTT chaotic, and best part is they changed these before closed beta.. there have been a lot of posts asking to rollback some of the drastic changes that have been made and they simply dont listen..

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Since Revoemag already gave us a good answer, I think it's appropriate the mods close this now. I don't see there should be anything else that needs put here.
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Since Revoemag already gave us a good answer, I think it's appropriate the mods close this now. I don't see there should be anything else that needs put here.

Or you could just let the mods decide that.

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why would you need this.. cant you already predict the position of your crosshair ? .. you kids played APB enough to know where it is ( or any other shooting game for that matter.. )
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Ezzi feels pro. Trying to keep all his tricks under his pro sleeve. I don't blame him, but at the same time, it's not a trend that makes you cooler nor it is an aimbot.

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Seriously Ezzi..?


You think that posting it here will cause us to discover what your talking about. You do realize that we have access to the rest of the internet too, not just our own forums, right?

As I've said in the past, custom shaders ARE a grey area, it's a subject of discussion amongst the staff and we're attempting to come to an agreement on the subject, but suffice to say, until then it is a grey area. We won't ban you for it, I'm not going to sit down & find your stream and ban you for using the RTW shader or whatever. The dot in the centre of a crosshair, really...? It's not really an unfair advantage when anyone can do it, not to mention it doesn't really give much of an advantage either..

We cannot guarantee that PB will not detect & ban you for it, it's an at your own risk move, while I find it doubtful that PB would indeed ban you for it, you can never be too sure, especially with the shaders that draw outlines on the players and let you see them through smoke, that's dodgy.

I hope that makes our stance clear. Also Ezzi, enjoy 3 days off of our forums for your unacceptable posts.



Well, for the record..

I use the RTW shaders in part because I prefer the look but mostly because with them the game runs at a constant 55-60fps. The default shaders, as of the latest patch, run at a mediocre 35 fps in open areas. I have a GTX 570, 8 GB of RAM, and a Q6600 clocked at 3.0ghz. My hardware should be able to handle this game no problem, but it only does with the RTW shaders, so.

It would be unfortunate if it's ever decided that these shaders aren't allowed, as they allow me to enjoy the game from a performance based standpoint.
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The visible dot while sprinting is a huge advantage.


Very true. I mean if there is no dot how would you know what you're aiming at :pirashoot:

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I use the RTW shaders in part because I prefer the look but mostly because with them the game runs at a constant 55-60fps. The default shaders, as of the latest patch, run at a mediocre 35 fps in open areas. I have a GTX 570, 8 GB of RAM, and a Q6600 clocked at 3.0ghz. My hardware should be able to handle this game no problem, but it only does with the RTW shaders, so.

Perhaps APB:R doesn't work well with old quad-core CPUs.

I had a Q6600 as well, before I upgraded to a i7 2600k. The game runs like a charm since then.

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Perhaps APB:R doesn't work well with old quad-core CPUs.

I had a Q6600 as well, before I upgraded to a i7 2600k. The game runs like a charm since then.


Right of course, upgrading your hardware always improves performance. The point, however, is that the G1 shaders negate the whole "optimization" approach they claim to have taken. Whatever they've "optimized" seems to actually degrade performance, and even looks worse on top of it all. I've helped many people use the RTW shaders, and all have reported higher frames as a result, in addition to a better looking game.

I sincerely hope they don't disallow the use of these shaders, especially on account of a dot that can be placed a hundred different ways. That would be an amazingly obtuse "solution" to a problem that doesn't really exist to begin with.

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My shaders aren't intended to provide an advantage. They're the way they are because I use dot crosshairs in other games (I don't even benefit from them, I'm an N-TEC/Tommy Gun user). The outlines are just stylization, the fact that you can see through smoke and glass is just a result of the way they're rendered. I couldn't make them different if I wanted to, all I have access to is the 3d image and the depth buffer. The only people who can make that possible work at Reloaded. If they ever supply that information to the shaders I'll use it.
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