[Ekatrinae]

Since the stats displayed in Armas and game are somewhat... different, and quite vague, I was wondering if any of you guys know how's the STAR LCR feels compared to a NTEC. Or even compared to the basic STAR 556.

I do have a scoped NTEC... kinda a nice all-around rifle. I always thought NTEC was harder damage but only effective in short burst, while STAR were lower damage but longer sustained fire; anyone can help me understand those weapons a bit better? Thanks.

[H8rsG0nH8]

Alkyone, on Nov 1 2011, 12:36 AM, said:

Since the stats displayed in Armas and game are somewhat... different, and quite vague, I was wondering if any of you guys know how's the STAR LCR feels compared to a NTEC. Or even compared to the basic STAR 556.

I do have a scoped NTEC... kinda a nice all-around rifle. I always thought NTEC was harder damage but only effective in short burst, while STAR were lower damage but longer sustained fire; anyone can help me understand those weapons a bit better? Thanks.

The STAR LCR is to the NTEC as the Colby PMG (post nerf) is to the OCA. There's absolutely no point in even owning one.

[LukaCola]

LoveHateHero, on Nov 1 2011, 12:11 AM, said:

The STAR LCR is to the NTEC as the Colby PMG (post nerf) is to the OCA. There's absolutely no point in even owning one.

The PMG is extremely unrelated, I mean, the ammo nerf still allows you to kill 3 people without reloading and the reload is fast enough for it not to really matter...

It's just the FOTM UP weapon and people seem to be driven away from it cause it has 7 less bullets and isn't quite as effective at longer range... Because that really matters right?

[NuclearPenguin2011]

haw haw haw 3 people^ only in the ultimately best case scenario.. 3 guys standing still within 2m of you...

[Crzy1]

LukaCola, on Nov 1 2011, 01:19 AM, said:

The PMG is extremely unrelated, I mean, the ammo nerf still allows you to kill 3 people without reloading and the reload is fast enough for it not to really matter...

It's just the FOTM UP weapon and people seem to be driven away from it cause it has 7 less bullets and isn't quite as effective at longer range... Because that really matters right?

It's more to do with the fact that the PMG was the alternative to the OCA. Now it's a direct downgrade from the OCA. Same could be said of the LCR and the N-TEC.

On topic. The LCR isn't that great. It gets beat by the N-TEC and Obeya in midrange and is worthless in a close quarters battle. It has great range, but it fires incredibly slow. It has it's own feel, but it doesn't have a place it belongs.

[Ekatrinae]

Oh well. That's too bad, I did like the look of that gun a lot. Thanks for the tip.

[Racky]

Alkyone, on Nov 1 2011, 01:35 AM, said:

Oh well. That's too bad, I did like the look of that gun a lot. Thanks for the tip.

I have the LCR perm.

I dont know about you guys but the STAR is like the best gun for long range and pwns the ntec in long range.

[MrDanials]

Ntec or scoped Ntec? The scope Ntec has no recoil but people agree that the PR2 version of it sucks , or was it cause Of the Improved Rifling Three add on?(Cause every shot has increased recoil that is not noticeable and the bloom recital expands worse for considered long ranges.)

The LCR, can do the same things as a Ntec(scoped), but it has way less bloom expansion plus upgraded damage to five shot kills. All at the cost of rate of fire, but usually full auto "slow" rate of fire is no issue (Does not jam up compared to Obeya).

[im Kaku]

From what i understood, the LCR still got the same TTK as it did in RTW, making it useless=

[Pylat]

I dunno why people hate on the Scoped Ntec PR2. I have one and can do pretty well with it (What's holding me back from doing better is the fact I suck, not the gun). The IR3 mod has it's uses, especially in sections of waterfront where you're shooting at eachother from across buildings. It just means the weapon has more focus on long range and is weaker close range (A weakness you can easily cover with a good secondary). I've tried the HVR (Regular and scout), Obeya, OBIR, CSG, Whisper, Scoped Ntec PR2 and STAR LCR and I can do well with all of them. Each one excels in some situations and is useless in others. The skill in this game is making sure you pick the right gun for the right job and to force your opponent to engage where your gun is most effective.

[Viffer]

Pylat, on Nov 1 2011, 11:03 AM, said:

The skill in this game is making sure you pick the right gun for the right job and to force your opponent to engage where your gun is most effective.

Listen to this wise man. There is no "best" gun in this game.
But if you do want my opinion on this, I would take a NTEC any time over a STAR.

[FirestarterPL]

Well, LCR is like this sexy chick that you're dating. She's fit, she's easy on the eyes and she knows tricks. She's even pretty warm-hearted under all that glitter, but she gets outwitted by uglier chicks 80% of the time.

I like my LCR, because it suits my playstyle, but against an equally skilled player with Obeya or Ntec/Ntec PR1 at the same range it's ugh...

I can place two perfect shots on Obeya user, he'll turn to me and kill me before I can pump out the other 3 shots. That's the sad truth.

Also, situations that led to my victim running away from death are too many to count, because of LCR's speed.

If I had a choice between LCR PR2 and Ntec PR1 now, I would go for Ntec, with a great sadness in my heart.

[Pylat]

The LCR PR2 has an effective range 32m longer than an NTec. If you engage them at that range 70-80m, the lowered damage they deal with each shot will increase their TTK significantly.

[Viffer]

There is no reason to make a STAR into a long range weapon, much rather grab an Obeya. Sometimes it is wrong to mod a gun after its weakness, try and mod them to their already strength, and carry a sidearm with opposite capabilities.

[Ekatrinae]

True enough. I find semi-auto simply much more efficient at long range than assault rifle... far as I've experienced, a STAR never managed to pick me off from long range, but scoped N-TEC does sometime.

[Oniell]

I own a permanent LCR2. At close range you have to be lucky to kill an ntec. But not impossible, i done it many times myself. It only takes 5 shots to fire, but takes longer to kill. However the N-TEC has a huge spread and recoil while firing fully auto, the LCR has none of those.
At mid range i have no problems beating N-TECS and Obeya's either. It has superb accuracy, and almost no damage drop off. Due to no recoil/spread you can hold the trigger button and no real need to adjust your aim. It's pretty much a slower firing obeya without recoil and spread. However everyone is saying this weapon sucks, i think more people should use it because it does not suck.
But just like FirestarterPL said, in my opinion it fires somewhat too slow. because you can just have those few moments where you get outgunned where you should not have.

Edit:
Forgot to add, dont expect to be useful with the LCR when playing on your own. It's much more useful when you are in a group, as a support weapon.

@Ekatrinae
A STAR is not meant to pick off very well at long range. It's better suited at close and medium, in my opinion.

This post has been edited by OniSoraka: 01 November 2011 - 05:58 AM

[Ekatrinae]

then, what is a good stand alone weapon?

[Coreldan]

Good standalone weapons would likely to be a CQB weapon (you can just about always force the fight to CQB ranges, but you can't always force the fight to longer ranges) or at max a mid-range weapon (such as N-Tec or STAR 556, but N-Tec still does it better SR-15 is amazing in-between choice if you can handle the semi-auto nature).

As for LCR, comparing it to N-Tec is wrong, as it would be like asking which one is better, OCA or N-Tec. LCR is purely a long range weapon and it does it's job viably, but the truth is that Obeya is still better, but it is more or less a bit OP, so I guess comparing to that is a bit meh. Closest equivalent would sort of be OBIR.

LCR is my go-to weapon when I need long range, mainly cos I love the weapon as I used it back in RTW 95% of the time I played. Yes, I would be better off with Obeya, but seeing that I main SR-15 most of the time, I don't want to use another semi-auto weapon.

LCR 5 shots up to 70-75m (70m according to my tests, APB DB says effective range 75m). 6 shots up to 90m and 7 shots above 90m. 5 shots come out in 1,2s which is indeed the slowest "normal weapon" in game, but it makes up for it by the extremely static TTK. There's no recoil control needed, no bloom, pinpoint accuracy.

Here is some gameplay to get an idea how the weapon actually plays in-game. First two videos are PR1, the third is PR2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evDHe-QqZ8A...nel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGYC2SpSS0M...nel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W3wbL6e0nk...nel_video_title

This post has been edited by Coreldan: 01 November 2011 - 08:07 AM

[tahrox]

Grab joker carbine for 2700-ish. Pown everything.

[Konidias]

I've been running with variations of the Star lately, and I have to say that it is surprising me. It is very versatile and I believe more accurate than the N-tec.

I got a kill from 50m yesterday where every bullet hit. I felt like an aimbotter. I literally did like 3 two shot bursts and the guy dropped in a split second.

I prefer the Star just because I like playing in that 10m-60m range. It is better up close than the N-tec, and if you are good at aiming and using cover, it can easily beat N-tec from farther distances.

Plus running around with the Star causes you to get 10x the hackusation whispers, which is great.