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Hey, I notice we can't send money anymore. As you may know I host the San Paro Car Show and there are cash rewards for the winners. Why was it removed? Please tell me you're going to change it back.

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Hey, I notice we can't send money anymore. As you may know I host the San Paro Car Show and there are cash rewards for the winners. Why was it removed? Please tell me you're going to change it back.

Cash farmers I believe, but to be honest that's going to happen no matter what. I myself would love to see it return.

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Yeah man that pissed me off that it wasn't there, I hate making forced sales on the AH that makes me charge the consumer more than what I want to charge them, and makes me lose profit from time to time. Please bring it back so you we can make fair/even trades plz

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Yea, that's very disappointing. That's going to limit the car show rewards quite severely. I don't know what to do now :\

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there's really no reason for us not to be able to send money, only thing it stops is our ability to personally trade without market place, cash farmers can do their job through market anyway.
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there's really no reason for us not to be able to send money, only thing it stops is our ability to personally trade without market place, cash farmers can do their job through market anyway.


Couldnt agree more - I think its a lil sad and unfair that they've come to the conclusion "Hey lets take out a vital part of a gaming systemmm....trade, because those pesky farmers might take advantage of it!"

Well - Thats no problem, Lets just farg the rest of the community Including payers over, for the minority of pricks who want to goldfarm.

What a joke + disgrace, This has too be implemented back in - ESPECIALLY in this sort of genre.

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I for one am glad it's gone because the ability to send money has resulted in newbies being scammed, obviously there's the gold farming issue but also the core annoyance for me the fact the Enforcer faction doesn't get enough cash, and the age old (missing the point entirely) argument is roll a crim and mail the money to yourself. Given that stupid workaround can't be used anymore maybe sooner or later the money earning inbalance between the factions will be fixed.

I should add, selfish faction issues aside, if I was to be less biased, I'd say it should be added back to premium customers, possibly with an additional password needed to mail money?

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I for one am glad it's gone because the ability to send money has resulted in newbies being scammed, obviously there's the gold farming issue but also the core annoyance for me the fact the Enforcer faction doesn't get enough cash, and the age old (missing the point entirely) argument is roll a crim and mail the money to yourself. Given that stupid workaround can't be used anymore maybe sooner or later the money earning inbalance between the factions will be fixed.

I should add, selfish faction issues aside, if I was to be less biased, I'd say it should be added back to premium customers, possibly with an additional password needed to mail money?


As a new player it does not look like it would really alter much to not be able to send money since you can basically attach most things to a mail anyway. If I can not send cash to my crim or enf, then I will just grind on the crim, buy what I want, for my enf and mail it to him. So really the omission does not alter the state of affairs.

Though I would not mind seeing similar options that the criminal has for the enforcers. Raiding stashes, Seizing Accounts, may be Criminal NPCs that enforcers could arrest on the street. Then give the criminals the role to "Disrupt" the enforcers efforts like Enforcers can do by spotting a criminal.

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We used to could send money, but then there was G1.

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They had to do something to stop the gold sellers ... oh wait they just use the auctions like in every other MMO. Why can't we trade money again?

You can't even buy your own auctions anymore so farming money on crim for your forcer is a no go. Some G1 employees really need to start playing enforcer.

Edited by Weedz, 12 December 2011 - 03:04 AM.


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Honestly, while it had a little to do with gold sellers, it also ensures that the auction house is a money sink, and helps prevent scammers. You can still have someone put a symbol up on the AH and purchase it, with the standard 20% fee.

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Honestly, while it had a little to do with gold sellers, it also ensures that the auction house is a money sink, and helps prevent scammers. You can still have someone put a symbol up on the AH and purchase it, with the standard 20% fee.


and the point of this is? You're still trading money at a loss of 20% yes, but it isn't like money isn't stupid easy to farm. Buy a good car, Buy a good perm wep or two, never need money again except for ammo. Store tons of cash. It was a change to solve a problem that wasn't that big of a problem, and by market prices things still have to be sold for high prices so people will make their big profits. Ever notice most prices are vendor price plus 20%or more, it negates the money sink to the seller. It only harms the casuals and bads. Meaning low rank or even some casual players will find things very hard to farm money for while the hardcore players still sit on tons of cash.

The mailing money thing has nothing to do with a money sink, it only added an annoyance to players with friends or a clan.

Edited by Smketreez, 12 December 2011 - 03:32 AM.


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The only negative to this has been the loss of some one who actively had personal dealings with there customers. There is always the AH but it doesn't allow for the one on one interaction and haggling that I use to see in original APB. I would like to see a system of a approved sellers list something that you could earn to be able to deal with money exchange.

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and the point of this is? You're still trading money at a loss of 20% yes, but it isn't like money isn't stupid easy to farm. Buy a good car, Buy a good perm wep or two, never need money again except for ammo. Store tons of cash. It was a change to solve a problem that wasn't that big of a problem, and by market prices things still have to be sold for high prices so people will make their big profits. Ever notice most prices are vendor price plus 20%or more, it negates the money sink to the seller. It only harms the casuals and bads. Meaning low rank or even some casual players will find things very hard to farm money for while the hardcore players still sit on tons of cash.

The mailing money thing has nothing to do with a money sink, it only added an annoyance to players with friends or a clan.

Without proper moneysinks you get a big influx of money and losing it's value (World of Warcraft being a great example)

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Without proper moneysinks you get a big influx of money and losing it's value (World of Warcraft being a great example)


WoW the only MMO I have ever seen to actual have inflation and price of living increase lol

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We need more money sinks.

The 20% fee is making 2-slotted cars not viable to be sold there.

Come up with anything else as a money sink, and of course allow us to trade money.

Jagex, the company of Runescape, disallowed unbalanced trades 2 years ago or something. They did it so that if I wanted to give someone 50K worth of money, I had to receive a similar amount back.

They lost more than 50% of their good player base, with bots taking over. The last 2 years, you would see always 300K people online. When bots where busted about 2 months ago, everyone noticed that from those 300K-constant online people, only 50K where actually legit.
They reverted that thing a few months ago.

See where I'm getting? Even if you remove money trades, cheaters and gold sellers WILL be here.

You're just hurting the legit playerbase if you remove features like these to the game. The gold farmers aren't being stopped by this. There are always workarounds.

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WoW the only MMO I have ever seen to actual have inflation and price of living increase lol


So, so true. In the first year of WoW, if you could afford the 1000g for an epic mount, you were rich. When I quit the game, I had one character at the gold cap (~214k at the time) and another with 100k. I was far from the only person in my guild with that much money, it was truly ridiculous.

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So, so true. In the first year of WoW, if you could afford the 1000g for an epic mount, you were rich. When I quit the game, I had one character at the gold cap (~214k at the time) and another with 100k. I was far from the only person in my guild with that much money, it was truly ridiculous.


I use to play a Warrior Tank for many years I remember for the longest time I could not play my Warrior due to the price of living increase just to repair my gear. Something I need to remind myself every time I get just a little mad at APB that I will never have to see that again. The only things I miss from WoW really is the Addon community and I think the AH layout in WoW is a hell of a lot easier to get around then APBs.

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I just started the game recently, but it seems significantly easier to make cash as a criminal. Why can I not in any way transfer cash between my 2 characters?

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We used to could send money, but then there was G1.


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as for money sinks, gambling casinos in social was the best idea, easy to implement too.
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I just don't really understand why, if nothing else, you can't transfer money between your own characters. It has absolutely nothing to do with RMT.

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you could always buy an expensive mod on your crim, mail it to your enf, then sell it on the market. you take the 20% market hit but it's better than nothin right? :P

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This has been brought up many of times ... simple fix ... CASH ON DELIVERY (COD). Nah they rather disable sending money altogether. Still gold sellers doing their thing. Even with leasing weapons and presets .. I guess that's not enough of a money sink.

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you could always buy an expensive mod on your crim, mail it to your enf, then sell it on the market. you take the 20% market hit but it's better than nothin right? :P


This doesn't really address the issue, though. If I can mail items between my characters, why not cash? It is a pain to rely on finding crims to take money from, either by taking their loot, issuing missions against them, and so on. It just seems much easier to make cash on a crim outside of missions.

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yes I think there was to much scaming and stuff going on
maybe they could just lower the tax to 10% and it wouldn't be so bad
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Yea, that's very disappointing. That's going to limit the car show rewards quite severely. I don't know what to do now :\


I had the same issue with my competition. I had to buy G1 credits which I had no control over how they were spent. I did pm revoe a few times but got no reply to any pm's.. I was going to hold a shed load more competitions to give away money, guns etc etc.. but all the good stuff cant be sent via g1 mail and like i said i tried to get in touch with revoe and i know another G1 mod told him face to face about my requests but still nothing. Pretty annoying but what can i do about it if no one cares.. no more competitions from my site now.

I want the money emails back too but i think it will never happen.

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please bring the money transfer between your own characters back otherwise the enforcers will suffer a lot cause of the imbalance that crims are able to spend hours gold farming and get tons of money -> mods/better weaps T_T

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This doesn't really address the issue, though. If I can mail items between my characters, why not cash? It is a pain to rely on finding crims to take money from, either by taking their loot, issuing missions against them, and so on. It just seems much easier to make cash on a crim outside of missions.


Im not quite sure what you mean by saying that laundering isnt easy, as long as you invest in a van, you can get a profit of 1000 per trip(Ramming stores, and storage lockers).

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I just wish money was account wide. There is really no reason to mail money to anyone other than to make it easier for gold sellers to steal your account, sell everything of value and mail it to one of their dummies.

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As said by someone else, it is used to prevent money farmers and to create a money sink. Every game that has an economy and has a MMO aspect to it needs money sinks. As for the gold farmers, they are still there but there's a really low amount of them in APB compared to other games and have you people seen the crazy prices they offer? Doing a quick google search and looking at 2 of those websites, they sell 1 million for approximatively 250$.

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I wish they would bring it back, if only for premium players. People will scam regardless of being able to send money via mail. I would like the option of selling things to friends at cost for once, like clan cars. Before I had designed cars for the clan to use, but no one would ever buy them, cause I'd have to charge them 20% extra to break even.

Eventually I felt because of district segregation and all the restrictions, that being in a clan was pointless, so I quit.

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You people are all silly. I make so much money on my enforcer, way more than my criminal ever made. And my criminal has +100 hours to enforcer, yet my enf has 3x the value.

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You people are all silly. I make so much money on my enforcer, way more than my criminal ever made. And my criminal has +100 hours to enforcer, yet my enf has 3x the value.


We're silly? *looks at signature* Here's an idea, how about you list the weapons you don'tuse? Might help save some space on your signature? :P

They should let us send cash though, gold farmers be damned!

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Forget money transfers and taking 20% or using the email again, JUST MAKE AN ACCOUNT-WIDE WALLET :) Problem solved.

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Scamming isn't even an excuse; in fact it's even worse now. Example:

"Hey, I wanna buy your Nano for 3m and a car." "Sure, let's have (famous community member) middleman." "Okay." Buyer sends cash and car to middleman, seller sends Nano to middleman, middleman sends cash and car to Nano seller and Nano to the buyer. Problem solved.

Now that isn't even possible. Same scenario would be buyer sends the 3m to the middleman then the middleman sends that to the seller and the seller ends up receiving almost 1.5m, then the buyer has to send 2.5m+20% to the seller, adding EASILY 1m+ in expenses for the buyer.

Oh, and this isn't a cash sink. In a zombie MMO I play the cash sink is 3-card monte with an option of betting however much you want. Now granted that isn't close to a decent sink since no money leaves the system in any other way, but it's a step in the right direction at least. Point being, a cash sink is something that is a small moment of fun or something interesting but not completely useless that takes enough but not too much money out of the system WITH THE PLAYER'S CONSENT. Not stealing your money without any choice on your part and causing ridiculous amounts of inconveniences.
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Just let people play blackjack for huge stakes. 51% expected gain for the house. Casinos make a metric sh1tton off that 1%. People think that its fair because they win a lot but the more they play the more they end up just losing small amounts.

All of you foggots already have gambling addictions (cough joker boxes) so this would work excellently. Hell, you probably can already find basic card game code so its not like it would even take effort...
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We're silly? *looks at signature* Here's an idea, how about you list the weapons you don'tuse? Might help save some space on your signature? :P

They should let us send cash though, gold farmers be damned!

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Honestly, while it had a little to do with gold sellers, it also ensures that the auction house is a money sink, and helps prevent scammers. You can still have someone put a symbol up on the AH and purchase it, with the standard 20% fee.


There already IS a money sink by paying $15,000+ for weapons every ten days, and a couple hundred dollars here and there from stocking up on ammunition and spawning your vehicle. There should be no reason APB lacks a trading system/mechanic.

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They need to give it back... I swear the developers are expressing more and more how little they actually care about maintaining this game. No active GMs ingame, Support that isn't supportive. Constant server lag. Taking away peoples privileges without giving it any thought on how to do it without impacting the entire player base. COD, account trade. There are many options to overcome this issue. I'm really starting to wonder where all that money going into Marketplace is going, seriously. So many things this game needs fixed or put more thought into.